God of Justice Mercy Jared Longshore Tom Ascol Virgil Walker Darrell Harrison

Welcome men, and justice and mercy. It seems like that so often these things are pitted against one another, and how can God be just and merciful at the same time. We have we just talked about in the last panel that the Cross demonstrates that we see justice and mercy coming together and both being fully put on display. But we've been hearing a lot about justice over the last several years, especially in the last year. So much of the lawlessness that broke out publicly violently in our nation these last eight to ten months or so has been justified in the name of justice. You know, we are seeking justice, and no justice no peace, And because God is just, then Christians ought to be pursuing justice. And we have had arguments. Every one of you guys, all of us up here, have had the arguments put to a accusations made against us that we really don't care about justice and therefore we really aren't seeking to live before God for God in the world, that we're content to just let things go unjustly in the world and pretend that we still love the God who is just. I mean, I'll jump right in and say, whatever happened to mercy ministry, right? I mean, y'all remember when you used to have mercy ministry. It's like the justice has taken over. Justice is the thing. And it's interesting to me we have been speaking of what's going on presently as a new religion. There really is a new religion afoot, and that new religion is very serious about justice, not true justice, right, they're serious about their own form of justice, which is an injustice, but they're very serious about that. They're using the words all of the time, but there's no mercy. They don't have a there's no mercy in what's going on there, which is striking to me, which signals to you something about the idol that's operating at the top, or you could say, at the bottom of that system. It's a there's not a merciful god. Our God is merciful and he is just the God of this age, which were seen manifested in these great christ For justice is whatever that idol is doesn't have mercy. I think you're right. When we examine justice and what's being labeled as justice, it's shifted. You mentioned the God of this age when we were doing our research on the BLM movement from one of our episodes the beginnings of the movement were on the back of the Trayvon Martin case. And what was said in that instance was that justice was not served. And what was meant by justice was not simply that the issue had been properly adjudicated, that all of the evidence had been brought to bear, that that the decision was was somehow not not landed upon. Uh from a standpoint of proper evidential uh, an evidential basis or a judic or or a or missing of the judicial process. But the reason that injustice was done in their mind was because the outcome did not correlate with what they thought was was right. UH. And as a result, then they believed that injustice was afoot and as a result, the whole movement then began. And again my my goal is not to dive head deep into into just that narrow sphere, but to but when you mentioned the god of this age, UH, and and what what's what's going on in culture? What's meant now by justice? Uh? It has nothing to do with justice. It has to do with sin for partiality, right, it's an out its outcomes based UH. It has nothing to do with an objective standard by which to examine anything. Yeah, I think, you know, one of the things that I've I've found in the way that I've tried to help people think about this is to show people that the issue is not the question of justice, but the question of injustice. I think there's agreement on the idea of justice, but there's disagreement on the question of injustice. And in a worldview that sees inequity as injustice, not inequality. Right, equality says, you know, all of us are sitting on chairs that are the same size, the same manufacturer. That Equity says that when we set up, all of our heads should be at the same height. Right, we're not catching a vote. Yeah, that's that's that's just a way to illustrate the difference. Right, So that's what equity says. So that's why, for example, to go back to Trayvon Martin, which is very interesting because the argument is that the police are hunting and killing black men, but the police didn't kill treva On Martin or Arberry, but their names still get lumped into the you know, to the to the whole deal. But but the idea is uh disproportionate numbers, right, Therefore, the individual facts of the individual case don't matter. They're irrelevant, right, because justice or injustice is about equity, and this is all rooted and grounded in a particular worldview, a particular way of viewing things and analyzing things, a particular set of assumptions, and a pressor oppressed paradigm that then assumes that whatever inequities are being experienced by a quote unquote oppressed minority has to be a direct result of the injustice of the oppressive majority. And so that's why it often seems like you're having two different conversations, right, because when you're talking about justice, well, justice would say, just like you said, right, this needs to be adjudicated. The facts need to come out the fact. That's what. No no, no, no, no, no, no no no. You only think that they would say because you don't understand what the injustice is. If you understood that the injustice was the disproportionate you see what I'm saying, then you'd understand we're having a completely different conversation and none of that stuff matters. So part of the problem is that we haven't understood that we're dealing with a particular worldview with a particular set of presuppositions and that because of that, we're often having two different discussions, and it becomes a real difficulty when Christians try to enter into that discussion and they begin to acquiesce to the presuppositions that are largely unstated, and once you do, that game is over. Yeah, tell, you're exactly right. Matter of fact, Virgil and Vodi have both touched on something, and I think it's very important to this conversation, Tom to your point first, though, Virgil and I often reiterate, and we're very dogmatic on a The Just Thinking podcast that you run the danger, as Christians to when you adopt and when you embrace the language and the vernacular of the world, you end up fighting that battle using the world's terms on the world's turf, and you will lose that battle every time. Every time. You must be rigid, fixed and dogmatic to use biblical language, biblical vernacular and flip that question, that worldly secular question, flip it and interpret it into biblical terms, and then pose the question back at them. Now, both Virgil and Vote have mentioned the words the facts, facts of the case. They're both absolutely right. The justice that is primarily talked about in the world today is an outcomes based construct Okay, if the outcome of a situational circumstance is manifests itself as to what I desired the outcome to be, then that's justice. But the outcome is other than I what desired it to be, that's injustice. So it's outcomes based, and I want to challenge you. This scripture gives us an amazing example of what voting. The distinction that voting was just making here which is crucial, the distinction between equality and equity. When you have a moment, go back to First Kings chapter three and study the adjudicated situation that King Solomon was involved with with the two prostitutes who came to him, each one of them claiming that the baby was theirs. Here you have talking about the facts of the case. This is equity, Biblical equity, and action. Solomon tried to drive to ascertain what is the truth? So, first and foremost justice is based on objective truth, objective truth. Ultimately, in that chapter, each woman had an opportunity to state her case. Obviously one was lying, one was telling the truth. And in order for Solomon to get to the crux of the matter, which is which of you is telling the truth. He threatened to cut the baby in half. He has one of his servants give me a So the woman whose baby it truly was, reacted, right, They both reacted. One woman said, yeah, go ahead and cut the baby in half. Now, cutting the baby in half, that's equality. That's equality. Each of you get half of a dead baby, but you each have the same volume of dead baby. So that's equality. Equity is getting to the truth despite the outcome. Now Solomon adjudicating the situation with equity in mind, with truth and mind, he obviously ended up making the correct decision. The outcome, however, is that one of them went home without a baby. The truth was gotten, that equity was employed, but equality was not. You still get justice, there was no injustice. There was still justice, but justice doesn't mean that each person involved, each party involved, is going to get the outcome that they deserve. So in God's economy, truth is what undergirs justice. What is the truth regardless of outcome? And the question of mercy, I mean your question, whatever happened to mercy ministries? We don't like to talk or hear much about mercy anymore. It's what we deserve and whenever you're talking about mercy. If you receive mercy, you're admitting something. I don't deserve this. And I think it's helpful to remind people regularly that we live and breathe by God's grace and mercy. I mean I will periodically, or more than periodically say when somebody said, how you doing it so? And I'm doing fine, I'm not in hell. You're right, if we got justice, we'd be having this panel discussion in hell because we all sin and that's what we deserve. If we can get people thinking about that again, that that could be helpful in this conversation. But again, it is offensive for folks to admit I don't deserve this kindness, goodness benefit that is being bestowed to me. I don't deserve to have my heart beat. Yeah. Well, I think what we're seeing in culture today and it's being drawn into uh, even what we're experiencing inside the four walls of the church, UH, is a lost thought process about that particular issue. No one's thinking about that. It's all about me and my rights and what I deserve and and and how how how historically speaking, my my ethnic group, and and and this is just they're going to say that a particular race has been wronged, and as a result of the wrong that's been done, I now deserve equity. I now deserve something from someone else so that I can experience equity. And I think that's that's the real challenge, especially when we see it happening in the culture to the degree that no one is willing to is willing to challenge, that, no one is willing to push back against that. I think that's where we end up finding the biggest source of the problems. How do you deal with this pastorally? I mean, how do you get people to think rightly about these things? I like to read them the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector. And when I say read them, I mean like read my own heart that text first, because it's especially with all the justice talk, we just get operating in that so often we think that the world's really just about justice, justice all the time, like law and order. I think I said this in a sermon recently at Grace. You know, we do need law and order. We certainly need law and order. But if all you get is law and order, we all go to hell. So you're not going You're not going to be with Jesus forever if all we get is law and order. And so the pharisee and the tax collector. Of course, you have the pharisee who is thanking God that he's giving God all the praise and all the glory for not being like these other people. And so you know you can sympathize with him because you're thinking, well, you know, at least he's not there pounding his own chest saying I did it. He's saying, I thank God, God, I give you the praise. I'm not like this. I'm not like this. And then that tax collector that was just beating his chest and saying, mercy me a sinner, And the text collector is the one who went home justified, and we just need that truth. Voted last night, brother, I think it was last night when you this line. I told somebody cut me to the quick about how dare we think that God respond to us when we jerk his chain? I was like, wow, how we can drift into that way of thinking, like, you know, I deserve you know, I'm the righteous man. You read the Psalms, and the problem is you forget that these songs are ultimately about Christ. He's the one who remembered the law of the Lord. He's the one who meditated on it day and night. He's the one who didn't stay and to see the sinners and sit and see the scoffers. And his delight was in the law of the Lord. It is Christ, Christ Christ Christ Christ. And you know we don't get any platform based on what we have done. It really is mercy. You need to remember that. You know, Jared, you know you think about the law. I think as Christians, there's a there's a there's a harmondiology that goes along with why the law in principle, why even the principle of law exists, But as the law exists in our twenty first century society today, think about this. Laws exist to protect sinners from other sinners. That's fundamentally. While laws exist, now the where mercy comes in. And Tom, I want to go back to your question earlier when you talked about whatever happened to mercy ministries. I'll tell you what happened to mercy ministries. I'm thinking about a quote from Thomas Soul's book The Quest for Cosmic Justice, where Soul said envy used to be one of the Seven Deadly Sins until it was repackaged under its new name Social Justice. So what's happened with mercy ministries is that the church has the Church has embraced social justice under the guys of mercy. But what's happened is in embracing that ideology, that ideology has replaced the biblical doctrine of mercy. So now everything is a justice issue. Everything is a justice issue. Everything that the Church has done for two thousand years, just in obedience as an acting, as a matter of obedience and obeying God's commands is now a justice issue. So to get that back, Tom, the church has to again be courageous enough to reject the language and ideology of social justice and recapture the biblical doctrine of mercy. John the Baptist said, right, we are to do works in keeping with repentance. We're not to just do works. We're to do works in keeping with repentance. That is what distinguishes biblical acts of mercy from simply worldly acts of social justice. So where would you start in this conversation that continues on still today and probably will into the next several years at least in the church with we've got to we got to do justice, and we've got to be sensitive to these who are telling us that they have been treated unjustly when they're operating off of this worldview that you articulated, Devotee, and their metrics of justice are not the same as what the Bible says. How do you how do you begin to engage that in a redemptive way. I think we start with that second Intheen's ten. You know that we walk in the flat. We are not waging war. According to the flesh. The weapons of our warfare, they're not carnival, They're mighty right. They're tearing down strongholds. So what do we do? We destroy arguments and lofty opinions raised against the knowledge of God. And I think that's one thing that we have to get back to right number one. We destroy arguments and lofty opinions raised against the knowledge of God. So ideologies like you know, critical theory, critical race theory, intersectionality, and you know, so on and so forth. These are arguments, These are ideologies, These are opinions that are raised against the knowledge of God. They present an alternative worldview, a competing worldview, and they need to be destroyed in the marketplace of ideas. They need to be obliterated. In the marketplace of ideas. We need to expose them for what they are and deal with them rightly as they are. But then there's a second piece. We take every thought captive to obey Christ. And you know, we've talked around this a lot, and Founders has talked about this, and you guys have talked about this on the Sword and Trial a lot. One of the problems is we have this sort of bifurcated view of reality, like my spiritual life exists over here and the rest of my life exists over there, and neverthe two show me. God has something to say about this stuff over here, but but not necessarily this stuff over there. And we're not taking every thought captive, So we don't think about our politics, our education, our science, mathematics, our healthcare, our all of those things. We don't have a well orbed fully informed and developed biblical understanding of these things. So not only are we no longer confessional, right, but we're we're all we're also no longer applicational in that we just think that Christianity is for a certain sphere of life and not every sphere of life. So there are thoughts that we haven't taken captive, and that weakens us and puts us in a position to be, you know, tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine, which is what we're seeing right now. Yeah, you know, I want to I want to add to that a couple of things from what what vote said, and part of it is what I would see is next steps for for us in the church, practical steps to addressing these kinds of issues. It was it was more than a decade ago voting you had coined the term ethnic gnosticism, and I mean the first time a lot of us heard it. Though a lot of us understood what that was. We knew what that meant, we knew what you meant by that. Okay, this is this is a this is a black thing, you wouldn't understand type thing that was that would be the language we would use in the vernacular and cultural settings. And so we've gone from that to experiencing in culture and ethnic antinomianism. Right. This idea that that from from a standpoint of of if I, if I have the right ethnicity, the law really doesn't apply to me, and I'm going to now be able to tell you how to adjudicate issues, situations, circumstances in the culture that in my mind are just right. So you've had ethnic gnosticism, we get this thing, and now ethnic antinomianism. Hey, the law doesn't apply to me. I'm I'm going to rewrite the laws in the way that I see them so that they can so that now there can become equity. Right, and then and then from there. What's happening now with ministries like founders and others voting, the work that you've done, the stuff that we've done on the podcast, is we're seeing people get educated about these issues, but we still have the ethnic gnosticism that's taking place. In other words, what's happening is people are still nervous about the knowledge that they now have, so rather than say anything about it, they'll say it in quiet circles, or they'll come up to you or I or one of us to say, hey, everything you've been saying, brother, that's exactly what I was thinking. And while that is incredibly humbling, it's part of the step. The next step has to be I am now willing to stand on my own two feet and declare what thus said the Lord from the scriptures, because I don't. I don't adhere to any of that step. Well, and let me go back here. You know that that term eth agnosticism when I was trying to communicate, and I'm glad people have grasped that term. But the term is something I coined, but not the idea. Right. I coin that term in order to explain one of the core tenets of critical race theory. This is from Terry. Also, this is one of the most quoted academics on critical race theory, and I think this is very important. Critical race theory is not something that we just started talking about. It's not a concept that we made up. We're not building a straw man. There is a well developed academic literature on what critical race theory is and what critical race theory does. Right, and so Yaso's articles have been cited in academic journals and academic literature thousands of times. Right, you get hundreds of citations as a scholar, and you winning. Okay, Right, you write an academic paper and you get hundreds of citations, You're winning. Right. Y'also's got thousands of citations. So this is authoritative This is not me. This is leading voice of CRT telling you what CRT believes on this issue, on the issue of the centrality of experience cerriential knowledge, that's y'allso's heading, not mine. CRT recognizes that the experiential knowledge of people of color is legitimate, appropriate, and critical to understanding, analyzing, and teaching about racial subordination. Have you noticed that when we start talking about race, people are always talking about having a conversation about race, not a Bible study, but a conversation. You bring up CRT and people say, you're trying to shut down the conversation about race. And in the conversation about race, what must we do? We must elevate black voices, not black thinkers, not black exegies, not black black voices, and black experiences. We need to sit and listen to the experiences of black voices, because the way you come to truth. Again, what y' talking about is the superiority of experiential knowledge. You don't come to the true knowledge of ethnicity and race through Bible study. You come to it through ethnic gnosticism, through elevating Black voices, and through acknowledging the fact that those voices and their experience. Their experiences are the arbiter of truth and not God. Here's another point that's incredibly important when you start talking about critical theory. Critical theory operates on this idea. There's a probably the most influential Marxist after Marx is a guy whose name most people don't know. His name is Antonio Grahamscy. Graham Shey was an Italian Marxist in the late nineteen twenties early nineteen thirties and a prolific writer even though he was in prison by the fascists in Italy. And his contribution is to the idea of hegemony and think about hegemony as the worldview that oppressor groups use in order to oppress people because they're trying to figure out, you know, the workers of the world unite. You know, they're supposed to be a revolution. We have the Bolshevik revolution. Why haven't we seen revolutions in other places? For example, why in England? They thought England was ripe for a Marxist revolution, but it didn't happen. So why didn't it happen? Well, Graham Shey's idea was because of the hegemony, because of the worldview that the proletariat have been forced to buy into right. And this hegemony is just something that's not objectively true. It's established by people in power in order to hold on to their power. And that's critical. It's not objectively true because another thing critical race theory rejects is the idea of objective truth scientific knowledge. Right, So follow the steps here because you said from ethinggnoscissism to ethnic antinomianism. Why is it that we can move to ethnic antinomianism Because the rules come from the oppressor in order to hold on the power, to keep the oppressor's power. Therefore, your rules don't matter when it comes to deciding what is true and what is right. Which is why and I'll stop here, we won't do not do an electure on CRT here, But which is why they not only talk about white privilege and male privilege and cisgendered privilege, heterosexual privilege, on and so forth, but also Christian privilege. One of the most significant books being used to teach, you know, people in education is Readings for I just lost it for something in Social justice anyway, incredibly popular academic textbook that's being used in schools all around the country. In order to educate teachers, and they talk about Christian privilege because Christianity is the ultimate tool that is used by the oppressor to establish their hegemony. Marx Religion is the opiate of the masses. What does an opiate do? Right? It dulls the census. The masses are not rising up and overthrowing because they've been dulled by religion. Grahams Shee. Sociology is that religion or I'm sorry, socialism is religion that must supplant Christianity. He understood it, and all the way down to today, religion and Christianity and Christian privilege. Right, check your privileged white person, check your privilege, male person, check your privilege. Christian is part of the same worldview. We do not come out of this unscathed. This is a war against the Christian worldview. And because of that, that's why you move from ethnicnoscessity to ethnic Antinomianism. Because the only reason we have these rules in place is because the oppressor put them there in order to oppress everyone else. Okay, I'll stop. You know it's boys. You talk about that voting, Yeah, go ahead, of honey. It's striking. How once you start to see what's happening. Readings for Diversity and Social Justice. Okay, sorry, that was the title, Readings for Diversity and Social Justice. Sorry. You know, over fifty man, when it comes, you take advantage of it, right, Hey, man, you believe that you believe that man as you as you as you spell that out. And we've been dealing with this for a while. You know, you've got sermons online on ethicnosticism, racial reconciliation, two chapters and by what standard? And so I was just talking to another brother over lunch yesterday along a different line of intersectionality, along the line of the male female relationships, and he was remarking, it's a scholar, and it's a lady scholar, and she's just you can see she's got an axe to grind. She's she's she's angry that she hasn't gotten what she thinks she deserves, and she's going, you know, at PhD level against against these people. And it's so strange to wash it and to see it from the Christian perspective. It's like, what we're seeing in this new religion, along all lines of intersectionality, is something that we are all Christian's thoroughly acquainted with it's called you know, I want what I want. I mean, as yours is displaying it, I'm like, yeah, I know what it was like to look at my parents and think, yeah, your authority is not real and your rules are not real, and I want what I want and you're just in my way and you're trying to do this because you want power over me. It's like, I don't know if that is okay. Now, Like let's put the race thing over it. That works, put the sex thing over it that works, put the male female thing where over that works. It's just this, you know, different lenses on the exact same sin, and it's not knowing the God of justice and mercy. And I would like to take our Christian responsibility here. As you mentioned in the bifurcated worldview sacred secular, there's also a bifurcated issue of justice and mercy. You know, you kind of have the justice Christians and the mercy Christians and the mercy ministry people are out there just trying to give cups of cold water in Jesus name and care for the poor, and then the justice Christians are wanting to bring down there they got a new law. And I'm not even meeting Christians, I mean those who are really going wayward. And then we all play on both use we're supposed to bring both of these things, justice and mercy. It's the God of justice and mercy. And we really do have to own how we've If we don't proclaim God's law and gospel, if we don't proclaim God's justice and mercy, people will create their own. And so this no neutrality idea. We have to go and say, this is where the courage comes. I've noticed there's there's these men. Once you see that, you'll speak like I just you don't do like nobody. It's just hard for everybody. Like so as a white guy, you don't go say something, You're like, I know what I'm gonna be called. And as a black man, you don't go say something you know you know what they're gonna be called, Like everybody's gonna be called something. And then you just realize like, oh, I love Jesus and I see what's happened, and I love you too much now, and you know we need that kind of courage. Yeah, I would say that I agree with you one hundred percent. There Jared, we all need to be courageous. You know. You look in Revelation chapter twenty one. I think it's a verse eleven. There's a list of behavioral characteristics which are announced by God as being worthy of being cast into the lake of fire. I think a list of about five or six behavioral characteristics by which God is damning them to the lake of fire. Do you know what the first characteristic is? Cowards? Cowards is listed first. So when you think about it, you know, I asked the question to your congregation last night. Uh, Tom, you know what are you prepared to lose in this battle? Vote is absolutely right. This is a war critical race theory. Uh is merciless and what it is endeavoring to accomplish and what you're going to find. What I appreciate about what Boyd Vote just did in citing these academicians is what you're going to find is the vast majority of the material that's available on CRT right now is written by academicians for academicians. Why because the educational institutions are the pipeline for this worldview. And I'm not just talking about the postgraduate level. I'm not talking about just the ivolate schools. CRT is coming to your public elementary school, kindergarten. It's they are now. One of the key tendons of CRT is a concept called uh interest convergence, the interest convergence principle, the interest convergence principle. What the interest convergence principle teaches and I say this with all the respect, this is for the white people in the audience. The interest convergence principle is targeted at white people. And what the interest convergence principle means is that white people will only begin to care about black oppression, black justice, black equality insomuch as those interests converge with their interests. So one academician writes in the in the book Critical Race Theory and Education, he gives an example of the mess patient Proclamation. He argues that the issuance of the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't done on moral grounds, but that Lincoln only issued that emancipation inso much that he realized that the image of the United States on the world stage was being negatively interpreted because of messages that were getting back to other countries around the world about how America treats black people. That that was the motive for the e mascipation proclamation, not that slavery was wrong. And in a Maago day context, that's one example of how the interest convergence principle works. Now, I say, I'll go to say this when vote talks about us destroying arguments, You're not going to destroy these arguments ex nihilo. Okay, this is not something that's going to be accompissed by you pulling a rabbit out of a hat, because there is no rabbit and there is no hat. Okay, you are going to have to read what these academicians are writing and educate and inform yourself about what they believe, and become even more familiar with what they believe than you are right now. You have to become so familiar with what they're saying that you are so adroit with the Word of God that you can take what they're saying in these books and filter that and interpret that through the Word of God so that you can offer and apologetic that destroys these arguments because these arguments. Listen, these arguments are so well formed. Listen, the very word equality, it just sort of has a certain ring to it. Or like doctor, those always talking about earlier. It just emits some sort of feeling from us that we just automatically gravitates towards something like that. But the academicians who are pushing CRT, they know that. So when Tom talks about courage, we have to have the courage as believers to reject that and put those words like equity and equality and justice into a biblical and objective, biblical context and stick to it and do not waiver, do not waver from it. So because of yeah, because of convergence theory, because of this idea. And by the way, the reason that this this interest conversience is necessary is because white people are inherently evil and are incapable of righteous actions in the area of race, according to CRT, because the first principle is that racism is normal, right, It's ubiquitous, it's everywhere, as Robin Deangel says, in a situation, you don't have to ask whether racism manifested itself in that situation. But how okay, because everything is racist, like everything, And so since that's the case, you have to do the work of anti racism. By the way, the work of anti racism is never done. It's not repentance it's penance, and it's penance that doesn't end. But there's another thing because of interest convergence. One of the leading voices in CRT today is IBRAMX Kindy. His book is How to Be an Anti Racist is a runaway bestseller. You can't get him for your organization or institution because he's booked up too far in advance and it costs twenty thousand dollars an hour to have him come and beat you about the head and neck on issues of race, and so what he here's what he proposes, here's what can be proposes. Again, this is one of the leading voices here at to NR day. To fix the original sin of racism, don't think for a minute that this is not religious. To fix the original sin of racism, Americans should pass an anti racist amendment to the Constitution that enshrines two anti racist principles. The first one, racial iniquity is evidence of racist policy, and the second one is the different racial groups are equals. The amendment would make unconstitutional racial inequity over a certain threshold, as well as racist ideas by public officials with racist ideas and public officials clearly defined. It would establish and permanently fund the Department of Anti Racism, comprised of formally trained experts on racism and no political appointees. Guess who's going to train them. The DOA would be responsible for pre clearing all local, state, and federal public policies to ensure they won't yield racial inequity, monitor those policies, investigate private racist policies when racial inequity surfaces, and monitor public officials for expressions of racist ideas. The DOA would be empowered with disciplinary tools to wield over and against policymakers and public officials who do not voluntarily change their racist policy and ideas. Wow, this is crt. This is the guy who authored the book that some churches are using, the book How to be an Anti Racist? And the answer is not come to Jesus. The answer is works righteousness based on a worldview that is antithetical to Biblical Christianity. This stuff needs to be hammered, not negotiated with. Amen enough Amen, as we've argued, as we've been saying today already again we're talking about a new religion. Yes, has its own epistemology, my lived experience, not the Bible has its own teleology where it's going, it's utopian. And so until everything is completely equal in every regard, then we have not yet attained the justice that we deserve, and it is completely unbiblical. And so the antidote, I don't mean to be simplistic, but we have got to teach God's people God's words. We got to start with Genesis one one. This God's world, He rules it, we're in it where his creatures, and we are accountable to him. And Jared, as you said, to preach God's law and God's Gospel. I think if there's one thing that I could do for evangelical churches, if God were to give me a magic wand that this Sunday something would be anything I wanted to be done, and evangelical churches would be done, it would be to get every one of them to begin to preach the Ten Commandments. I think we do just that much that we would begin to rebuild foundations we've lost that make the Gospel apparent for what it is. The Gospel doesn't make sense apart from God's Law. The substructure of what happened on Calvary is God's commandments, and we've lost that. We need to recover it. And without that, we're not going to have justice, nor are we going to have mercy. We need the law desperately, especially when there are some twisted new religions coming in, as has been displayed with CRT and intersectionality. And I want to put in this because it takes a little while to get your mind around some of this stuff. You need to read some of this stuff. Interest convergence. I remember seeing that, And if you don't have God's law, what can happen? So beware of this ditch on each side of the road. I remember hearing interest convergence. You know, white people only held black people with the advancement when it benefits them, you know. And well, the danger is you go that never happens, that never happens. And then I was like, oh, that happens all the time. That happens all the time, so let's be careful for a minute. I read that, and I was like, oh, so people using people that what you're talking about now, Okay, so that's not what interest convergence teaches, But that's the kernel of truth. It's taken and it's twisted. So the danger is you see the twist and then you go. You know, white people have never used black people ever. I don't think any white person and you need to go. Hold on, let's think clearly for a minute. This is a fallen world. This is a corrupt world. Doesn't matter what color of skin is. People use people, people use people, and it's wrong. And so the law will keep you straight on that, and you'll be able to look at like interest convergence or something like that and and dissect it rightly. And because yeah, the charge will come that you you do fall in the ditch on the other side of the road. So the problem and vote went there. As he further explained, you heard him further explain what he said. Well, the Robb this because white people as a whole are you know whatever, And that's the problem. It's this total categorization of people by their skin color. That's where the error is. And the law is going to help us keep that straight. When it comes to the way these new religions come in, we're going to be the ones who are really after justice, who are really after mercy. I'm going to give you the last word here, Daryl. You just real quick toime, you know, I think it needs to be said, especially in conjunction with what Vodi just read. We need to be reminded that an administration, a presidential administration, was just elected and inaugurated that fully embraces CRT. So what you're about to see is CRT codified into law. What you're about to see is this ideology now become law to where faith based institutions and organizations like Founders and this very church in which we're having this conference is going to be beholden to enforce CRT standards and metrics and policies or face the threat of being shut down that administration was just elected and inaugurated into office. Okay, now I'll close with this. Tom Virgil mentioned earlier two episodes we did on the Just Picking podcast, we dedicated six hours of content to exposing Black Lives matter. Over across two episodes, six hours of content we gave you on Black Lives matters. And one of the one of the statistics, and one of the tools of crtiers and social justitions is to use ethnic centered statistics as a means to validate their argument. So, for example, someone will say, well, black people make up only thirteen percent of the American population, and yet they make up forty percent of the prison population. Well, you know where else the numbers thirteen and forty apply. Thirteen percent of Americans are black, but they make up forty percent of the abortions, same thirteen percent. But what you hear is that the prison population is unjust because forty percent of the prison population consists of black men. You will never hear labeled an injustice that that same thirteen percent represents forty percent of abortions in America. You will never hear that. So my encouragement to you today is to do the work of preparing yourself to destroy these arguments. It takes work. You're gonna have to work at this. You're gonna have to work at getting in the word, knowing what the word says. And I would just add to Tom's admonishment to teach the word of God, to teach your people to believe it, because if you don't believe what you're being taught, it's a moot. Point Tom, I'll give back you up. Amen. Well, brothers, thank you so much for coming up here addressing this topic. Let's close together by prayer. Our Father, we bow to you because you are the God of justice and mercy. You are the one who is revealed to us, Jesus Christ. You've given him to us, and in him we have been reconciled to you. In him we have found sin forgiven, and him we have been given everlasting life. And I pray that your spirit would work in us more deeply, taking your word and causing us to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ, so that we might live joyfully and hopefully in this wicked and perverse generation. Help us to shine his stars. Help us to set our hope upon You, the God who always does what is right, and to live wholeheartedly for you from this time forward forever. For we pray in Jesus' name. Amen.