PLEASE READ Kathryn Kuhlman Talk Pastors Conference Part 1 of 2

Catherine Kuhlman often stated, I believe in miracles. In this informative discussion at a Melodyland conference, Miss Kuhlman shared the deepest insights of her heart on the ministry of healing. This is part one of that series. Pastor Wilkerson has probably told you that so many, many questions have come in regarding Divine Healing, the Ministry of Healing, and of course, this is a clinic. And many of you have written out your questions. Pastor Wilkerson has many of the questions now. And I want you to know something, and that is that I cannot answer all of your questions. Please know that. I make no pretense of having all the answers. Do you understand that? Before we begin, put up a hand. Now, in this clinic, you've had those who have answered questions regarding the Holy Spirit and every phase of the doctrines. But remember, I just understood this noon that you've had no open forum regarding divine healing, right? This is why we're here in this charismatic clinic, Christian Center in Anaheim. And I want to start off by just saying that a lady here declared that she said, you had no opportunity to pray and lay hands on me in Jesus' name in the service, but he knows my heart and Jesus blessed me anyway. Isn't that beautiful? Sure, because you don't need me. You don't need me to lay hands on you. That's the reason there are so many people who are healed. In their own homes. You're healed maybe doing a radio broadcast. Even now while we're answering questions. While we're discussing the word of God. Somebody listening over the radio. Who found it impossible to come to the clinic. In the first place, they knew they couldn't get in because they were packed and jammed. Are you sure you people left this place at 12 o 'clock? Some have been here since 6 this morning, Miss Gooman. Do you mean that, Ralph? I don't think someone went home last night. I think they stayed all night. And they didn't bring their sack lunch like they did yesterday. I want to check on this. Let's see. It is now a little after 2 o 'clock. All right. How many have been here since 10 o 'clock this morning? Put up a hand. Well, all of you. How many have been here since 9 o 'clock for the band? Did you hear what I said? How many have been here since 8 o 'clock this month? Everybody. Creatures, let me see your hands. My goodness. That's a miracle when you can get creatures here. 8 o 'clock. How many have been here since 7 .30? Let me see your hands. It's a shame this isn't on television if you would see all these hands. Are you hearing? Are you sure your microphones are working, Ralph? How many been here since 7 o 'clock this morning? Put up your hands. Look at these hands since 7. How many were here at 6 .30 this morning? Are you sure you're hearing me correctly? Look at those hands since 6 .30. Better ask whether they went home or not last night. Yeah. How many have been here since 6 o 'clock? There are still hands going up. What time did you come? How many slept here all night? Put it in. Greg, look there. Did you honestly sleep here in this place last night? You had a camper. All of you folk who have no place to sleep tonight, sleep in their camper. It'll be all right. Ralph, when people will bring their campers and stay all night, when people will gather as early as 6 o 'clock in the morning, 5 .30 in the morning, that's got to be God. They're hungry, Ms. Kuhlman. They're hungry. Excuse me before you interrupted me. Go on, Ralph. Did you ask for the ministry of healing? And when did this miraculous miracle of healing ministry start in your life? I did not ask for the miracle of healing. And there have been times you really want the answer. And there have been times that the responsibility of it has been so great that I looked up and wished that I had not received this miracle and this ministry of healing. I don't think anybody except that somebody to whom the Lord has given this terrific responsibility knows what it's like. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Now, I'll tell you how it began. You see, when I first started out, years and years and years ago, all I knew was just the new birth experience. I was so stupid. I was so stupid. I knew nothing except that I was born again and I had a wonderful conversion. My conversion... was when I was 14 years of age. It was instantaneous in this little Methodist church in Concordia, Missouri. Whether anyone was saved prior to that Sunday morning or whether there's been anyone saved since, I don't know. I have the slightest idea. It's the little tiny Methodist church. It doesn't hold any more than maybe 100 people. Grandpa was responsible in building it, and Grandpa was a Methodist. Of course, as you've heard me tell you, Grandpa thought that only Methodists would get to heaven. I'm not quite sure if Grandpa made it. I know if he did, if he found a Baptist there, I don't know whether he wanted to stay in heaven. And it was just like that. And all I knew was the new birth experience. And you know something? That Sunday morning, holding the Methodist hymnal in my hand, a 14 -year -old girl, and they were singing the last song. I cannot tell you who the preacher was. I had no idea. I knew nothing about the new birth experience. And they were singing the last hymn, and this was my first experience with the Holy Spirit, but I didn't know it. I began... See, I didn't recognize it then until years later. I began to shake with the power of God. With the hymnal in my hand, I began to shake. I'd never seen the manifestation of God's power. I could not hold that Methodist hymnal in my hand. I couldn't hold it. I shook from head to foot. I laid the Methodist hymnal down in that little Methodist church, and I did the only thing that I knew what to do. I'd seen them take in members. I laid it down because I shook so I couldn't hold it, and I walked to the front pew and sat down. And in that moment, that experience, that wonderful experience, and I began to cry. I began to sob. The tears ran, and my nose ran, and they've both been running ever since. And then that moment, one of the old Methodist sisters came around, and she didn't know what was going on. And she came and sat arm beside me. She put her arm around me, and she said, Oh, Catherine, you've been such a good girl. And we both knew she was lying. We both knew. Because if anything happened in Concordia, I made it happen. It was just like that, you know. And when I began preaching, all I could preach was the new birth experience. Because no one can give to anyone else any more than they have experienced themselves. You know that. Don't try it. You cannot give to anyone else any more than you have experienced yourself. You can't do it. Then came the day. Came the time when I knew. divine healing was in the Bible. I knew it. I knew it. This was an experience. It is very real to me. I went to a tent meeting. You really want me to take the lid off of my heart? And I sat back and I watched. I may not have much of an education, but I'm not stupid. And there's some things that I knew. I knew I could see why. I could not believe that that was my wonderful Jesus. And I walked out, and I cried. I cried. That whole night, I cried the next day. I just cried. And all I could say was they've taken away my Lord and I know not where they've laid him. I don't know why I kept saying it and saying it. I knew it was in the Bible. And yet I could not feel the witness of my Lord. It was about two weeks later when I was preaching one Monday night and somebody stood up and said, Miss Cooman, may I say something? And I said, yes. And the woman said, and this is the very first, and the woman said, you know, while you were preaching, Last night, I was healed. I stopped and I said, would you repeat that? She said, while you were preaching last night, I was healed. I said, where were you? And she told me exactly where she was sitting. And from where I am standing now, she was sitting over here in this part of the auditorium. It was an old Billy Sunday tabernacle. And she was sitting in there. And I was so amazed and I said, now remember, I was not praying for the sick. I was not praying for the sick. Only this terrific hunger within me. I was seeking myself. She said, I was so sure that I was healed. that I went to my doctor today and it was a tumor. I was so sure I was healed that I went to my doctor today and she said he examined me and there's no tumor there whatsoever. That was the first healing after God anointed me with the Holy Spirit. for the healing of sick bodies. Does that answer the question? Here's a good one. They want to know why some people fall under the power, why some don't, and what's the scripture validity for this? That's a good one. You've been asked that before? A thousand times. Yes, I imagine. You know, uh... When it comes to the power of God, why do people, and this is always so amusing. Somebody coming in for the very first time, they said, my word, everybody in the place fainted. And somebody says she hypnotizes them. Why is it that folk go under the power, even doing a radio broadcast or doing a telecast? I'm not near them. They're all alone. How can it be that when there's 7 ,000 people packed in a great auditorium as the shrine, and folk way up there in that top row in the balcony, and, you know, it's pretty high up there when people had to bring their binoculars, you know, and look down, and they can scarcely see me up there, and yet... You'll find them going under the power up there. You'll find them being filled with the Holy Spirit up there. Remember, this is a supernatural power. If I had the answer, I would tell you. I can only tell you it's supernatural. But you remember it's scriptural. And remember something. If I say one thing. and the Bible says another, the Bible is right. Always remember that. If your preacher preaches one thing and the Bible says another, the Bible is right. If your preacher tells you one thing, if your priest tells you one thing, if the rabbi tells you one thing and the Bible says another, the Bible is right. Always know that. Always know that. never go beyond the word of God. Don't add to God's word. It's very easy to add to the word of God. We talk about these people who are taking away from the word of God. Cold formalism. We talk about those who deny the deity and divinity of Jesus Christ. They take away. They take the penknife. and and take out but remember something it can be just a disastrous to add to the word of god and go beyond that which is scripture so be careful don't add to whatever you do it's easy oh isn't this glorious isn't this wonderful let's add a little more Here is the scripture. This is not something new. When you come to these services and you see people falling under the power, this isn't something new. You know who could stand here today and tell us all about it? Oh, I wish I could bring Paul and say, Paul. Somebody's asked the question, they want to know, what about this falling under the power? Oh, he said, I'll never forget the first time I went under the power. I'll never forget the first time I went under the power. How many can say the same thing? Put up a hand. Yeah, some of you went under the power for the first time today, too. Oh, he said it was glorious. Well, Paul, when did it happen? Well... I'll tell you what happened. It happened on the road to Damascus. I'll tell you exactly. Well, did somebody hypnotize you? No. Nobody touched me. How do you explain it? He said, I don't know. But he said, I'll give you the account of it. Oh, he said, let me read it. Let me read it. That ninth chapter of Acts and Saul. Yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went in the high priest and desired of him letters to Damascus, to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. Watch. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus, and suddenly... There shined round about him a light from heaven. And you know what happened? And he fell to the earth. He went on the power. Just like that, he went on the power. This going on the power isn't something new. Oh, you talk about Ms. Cooman's ministry and they all go on the power. Why, believe me, I don't have a corner. On the slaying power of God? I don't have that corner on the slaying power of the Holy Spirit. It happened way back there. And Paul went under the power. And I tell you, there wasn't anybody there to pick him up either. Mr. Bennett wasn't there. Red Dolan wasn't there. There wasn't anybody there to catch him, you know. And that was a lawful. He was sitting on top of a horse probably. And the amazing thing is when the power of God, nobody ever gets hurt. And watch, he fell to the earth and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, who art thou, Lord? And the amazing thing, he knew it was the Lord. That was the amazing thing. He called him by name. Who art he knew? It was supernatural. He knew it was the power of the Lord. He knew who it was. I'll tell you. Yeah. And he said, watch. The Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembly. Oh, that's wonderful. He's still on the power. And he trembling. Shake him, good Lord. Shake him good. You got him now. Shake him. And he trembling and astonished. He was astonished. Haven't you seen some of these people get up from under the power? So astonished, what happened to me? And astonished said. Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? He got the whole thing in a hurry, you know it? He sure did. And the Lord said, Watch. Arise. Get up. He didn't have Red to pick him up. He didn't have Mr. Bennett to pick him up. He didn't. Get up. He's still out on the power. Get up. Come on. Arise. And go in the city. and it shall be told thee what thou must do. And remember, when the soldiers came to take Jesus, what happened? They all fell under the power. Understand something. I still believe, now this is my part of the answer. I'll give you the scripture. How many see that it's scriptural, going under power? Put it behind. It's scriptural. It's there. Uh -huh. If you don't believe it, you call Paul down. He'll verify it. And if you still don't believe it, as soon as you get home to glory, look him up and ask him about it. You'll be convinced. But this is the way I feel about the power of God. These old bodies of ours, do you know that this is still corruption? These bodies. Our redemption will not be perfected until we stand in his glorious presence. We're redeemed now. Do you understand that? We're redeemed now, beloved. Have we passed from death and life? Now are we the sons of God. Now we're his heirs and joint heirs with Christ Jesus. But our redemption is not perfected until we stand in his glorious presence and this which is mortal will have put on immortality. These bodies are still corruption. They go back to the earth from whence they came. And that which is still corruption is not geared for so much power. It's not geared for glory. That's the reason with all this glory I talk to you about being filled with the Holy Spirit. And yet, there is so much of the power of God that my own body, this which is flesh, can only stand just so much of the power. And then, beloved, it can't take anymore. And down it goes. How many understand that? Put up a hand. You cannot. When you see a big 200 -pound man, when you see a man 225 pounds hit the floor with a crash, with a bang, and you know that that man is doing everything. Oh, but the nicest thing is to see some little prissy woman. You know, I still say that God has a sense of humor. I believe that. I've watched it. I still, you'll never make me believe that God doesn't have a sense of humor. And I've seen them. There. Every. Well, I'll tell you the funniest thing I ever saw was a woman's wig just fall right off of her head. That's one thing they didn't have in the early church that we've got. And sometimes the most unlikely people. The most... And I just kind of think the angels are smiling, you know. And the most wonderful thing is, I'll tell you a secret. After you have felt the power of God, After you've gone under power, you're never quite the same again. Never. Ralph, there's something about it. I can tell you. You are never quite the same again. You see, I mean, this is the way I feel about it. You become so personal to him. It isn't that you have to go down in the power to feel personal to him. But it's when the power of God strikes you. Along with it, there's love. It's just like he folds you close to his heart. And you're never quite the same again. I cannot give you the full answer. There may be much more than I'm telling you. But I'm only telling you what I know. How many understand? Put up a hand. Uh -huh. That's why they go under power. You don't need me to touch you. You don't need me to lay hands on you. But it's as real as the air that you breathe. Thank you, Miss Cooman. I'm going to tell them the first time I visited you in Pittsburgh, I was in the audience as a stranger. And a lady fell over on me three times. You didn't touch her. I finally kept propping her up, and I was a little bit embarrassed. I turned to my wife. I said, honey, she can't help it. I want to ask something just now. On this platform, this is filled with ministers. How many for the very first time went under the power of God today? Let me see your hand. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up for the very first time. Will you do something? Will you do something in just one sentence? Pass this microphone over here and tell what the sensation was like with your mind in just one sentence. Come on. Come on. These ministers, all right? It's awfully hard to find the words. It's just that just flood your heart with love. I think that's the best expression. I just felt enveloped by the love of Jesus. That's right. Enveloped by the love of Jesus. That's it. Come on. I felt that God was more personal when he'd ever had been before. I believe that. That's right. Come on. I just felt released in him. Released in him. Now, hear this. This is a wonderful thing. A full release. I know. I know it's the power of the Holy Spirit that goes through. Oh, I know. Let him go with it, Pharaoh. This is something you can't explain, but it's marvelous. There was a melting of the coldness that kept me from Jesus. I know. I know. and that fresh baptism of the love of God. I'm a Pentecostal minister, but this is the first time I've fallen under the power, and I just felt so totally involved that I couldn't stand up. I didn't lose consciousness, but I felt so involved in everything that was happening that I couldn't stand up. And Father, what he is expressing, I pray that every minister behind that sacred desk shall know. I just felt closer to Jesus than I'd ever felt before in my life. That's right. Closer to him, it makes him more personal. And it's something you can't explain. Yes. Come on, God bless you. Something happened, and I know it was for real. Something happened, and I know it was for real. Give him a great big God bless you. Well, you had prayed for me once before, and I felt this tremendous charge on me today. After she prayed, I was kneeling there, and these fellows were right there, and when they put their hands on me too, The tremendous presence of the Lord really came on me, and I just praise him for it. Thank you, Jesus. And you can't describe it? No, no. It's just, well, it's kind of like an electrical charge. You're aware. I'll say it's a charge, all right. I'll tell you. Dear Jesus, I thank you for the power of the Holy Spirit. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Come on. I praise God today. It was an opportunity for me to empty myself. It is not I, but it is Christ in me. Hallelujah. Hey. All I know is that... Through this clinic and through the meeting today with Jesus Christ and through this encounter Mrs. Kuhlman that the Lord just I'm just beginning to realize that I can't limit the Lord he can do anything he wants to do with me and I'm ready and Yeah, yeah, and I just praise him for his touch in my life today. We're ready We're ready Take this one, take this one, take this one, take this one. Ooh, I know who it is right now, the power of God going through his body. The power of... Shh. Shh. We're going through the clinic. I thought we were going into another miracle service at the shrine, Ms. Kuhlman. Dear Lord, taste it like they use it. God bless thee shall be a falling. This shall be the beginning of one of the greatest miracles. Use it for your glory. Glory? Oui. This is glory, you know it? All right, come on with questions. Why is it that a sinner gets his healing and a saint sometimes doesn't? Well, sometimes I think we think some folks are saints who aren't. You know something? I've learned this a long time ago. There are an awful lot of people who put on an awful good front. when they go out of the house. But when the doors are closed and the blinds are drawn, they're devils. Yes, ma 'am. It's just like that. You ask the question why so many good people's children turn out bad. You know, Ralph, you have to really, if you're a man, have to live with a woman to know her. Amen. And you know, Mrs. Wilkerson, you really have to live with a man to know him, right? Uh -huh. And it's like that. And it's just like that. All right, there's number one. You see, you would be amazed how much spiritual pride there is in the heart of many a professing Christian. I shall never forget. I'll never. In a little town in Idaho, and this is one of my very first experiences. When I first began preaching the gospel, it was in a Methodist church in Idaho. And they asked me to preach the morning sermon. And there was an old codger in that town who was really a reprobate. Now, I'm telling you, because they told me when I first came to town. And I wasn't any more than 16 years of age. And they had gotten him to come to that morning service. I gave an altar call. When I gave that altar call, here came the old cotcher. He came down to the altar. Because my personal work in those days, if I thought there was a sinner in the place, I'd lock the doors and let him out until he got converted. And so... When we got him down the altar and God really saved him, it was glorious. When I look back on it now, I'm wondering whether he was saved and filled with the Spirit at the same time because he really got a double dose of something. I didn't even know enough about the baptism of the Holy Spirit to know. And his hands were up and he was crying and he was rejoicing. Oh, it was a glorious experience that he got. And his wife. came to the front of the church and she looked up and she said, it isn't fair. It isn't fair. It isn't fair. I've been the president of Ladies Aid for 26 years and you've never done this for me. And here comes my old husband and look what you do for him. And you left me out. You see. We don't know the heart. It's still a matter of what's on the inside here. It's still inside here. Not here. That's the reason I say to you, you know, it makes no difference whether you're Catholic, whether you're Protestant, whether you're Jew, whether you're Gentile, whoever you are. It isn't your church membership. It isn't what you profess. It's still a matter of what you have on the inside of you, right in here. Here comes somebody into a service who probably hasn't been to church for 25 years. Somebody who doesn't have a lot of preconceived ideas up here. I'd give anything, so help me. I'd give anything in the world if I had the ability to take the ministers. in our nation today, take them, turn them upside down, and just shake them real good. And shake them so hard until I had all of the algae shaken out of their heads. Just shake out all. I'll tell you something about your preachers up here. I can't work on them, but I can sure work on you because you're here. And if I could just teach you. You see, you've been through seminary, and don't you think for one minute that I'm decrying education. Don't you. I'm only sorry. God bless you. I'm only sorry that I don't have a better education. For years, I suffered with that complex. For years, I've suffered with it. But sometimes I think it was a good idea he called an ignorant person. Because, you see, I don't have to hurdle all these things the two men have to hurdle. You who've been to seminaries. You see, you've been educated low these years. And you've got so much up here in your mind. So much up here. That now, and you've been so brainwashed with a lot of this stuff. that you've got to get it all out of your mind so that you can come again as a little child and come back. If I could only take it. You see, that was the reason. Sit down, Ralph. You see, that is the reason, beloved. Uh, why? Uh, the Lord said he had to put new wine. in new bottles because he couldn't take these old skin bags and fill them with the new wine. Do you understand that? Hear the scribes and the Pharisees. They knew the law. They knew the letter. They knew it well. Oh, they knew it well. They too were educated. We're not the only folks educated beyond our intelligence. They were educated. You'll talk about, they were educated. They knew the law. They knew every letter of the law. There isn't a person living today who knew the law better than they knew the law. And yet when it came to this wonderful, I pray in the Holy Spirit, when Jesus came and left the church's wonderful gift of the Holy Spirit. You see, they were so steeped in the law, mentally, they were so formed that this hardening process had so taken place that they were no longer applicable. This. And if you put this new line, you can't do it. into a bag that is hardened almost to the consistency of stone, it would burst the faith. That is the reason he knew that they were so formed in their ideas and their thinking. That's why today, back there, who did he choose? Did he choose the priests? No. He chose the most unlikely. He took the fishermen. They set the dirty hands. He's not looking on that. He was looking for pliable, yielded material. Uh -huh. Pliable, yielded material. Couldn't use the old skin bags. But he wanted yieldedness into which he could pour the new wine. And I'm frank to tell you, here's a secret. My mind is closed to everything else but what's in this word. I'm not a liberal thinker. I may look modern. You'd be surprised. Oh, don't tell me you're Catherine Cooper. A preacher. But watch. My mind is closed to everything except this word. You couldn't pay me. If somebody came and offered me $50, $50 ,000 cash to study false religions. Offer me $50 ,000 cash to take a course in psychology. I'd say you keep your money. I'm not going to endanger that which I have. You couldn't do it, you couldn't do it, you couldn't do it. I don't read everything that comes my way. I don't read everything that comes in my mailbox. You load me with books, I might just as well tell you I don't read them. I've got enough right here to do me. I've got enough right here to do me. Let me give you an example. Watch. When you take your marriage vows and you stand there and take your marriage vow and you promise to be a faithful, a loving husband to that wife of yours, that one... who's going to be your wife, brother, you close your mind to all other women. You're on dangerous ground as quickly as you open your mind. Little lady, watch something. When you take your marriage vows, marriage is a sacred thing, and when you take your marriage vows and promise to be a faithful wife to that husband, that's the reason. It's like somebody, now, well, I'll tell you, she's a nice girl. I'll marry her now, but I'll still keep looking around and playing the field. It'll never work. It'll never work. And when it comes, we are members of the Bride of Christ. He is our coming bridegroom. I stopped looking. I'm not going to get all tangled up with something that's not the Spirit. I don't have to take all kinds of things in my mind. I'm not going to look upon things that might rob me of a deeper experience with the Lord. And you'll find out, beloved, when your mind is so completely saturated with the things of God, it's a... You think it, you live it, you eat it. It's a life. This thing of being a Christian isn't something that you take off and hang it in the closet until you want it again and then put it on. It isn't like that at all. It's a day -by -day proposition. Don't you misconstrue anything that I've said today. If you do, you might go off and be a religious fanatic. I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about that. But if there's something that is contrary to the holy word of God, burn it. Don't go out exploring. is contrary to his word. We forget this is the very word of God. He speaks to us. Do you want God to speak to you? He's speaking today through his word. This is what you need. If there's something that comes into your hands, if there's something that you know, is contrary to his word. Burn it! The mind is a delicate machinery. Be careful how you treat it. Be careful how you use it. Be careful what you do with it. A thought makes a deed. A deed makes the life, and the life brings the destiny. But it all goes back to the mind. How many understand? Put up a hand. Well. It's not too personal, Ms. Kuhlman. Could you possibly show us how you met your death? Earlier in the service, you talked about how you died. Before you answer it, may I just tell the radio audience that we're listening to Charismatic Clinic. And this is radio station KHOF 99 .5. All right, Miss Koo, we'll come back in now because I know a lot of our issues. I'll lead you around here today. Oh, my goodness. Imagine, Ralph, somebody just tuned in, you know, and they think, what in the world are we listening to, you know? Right. But isn't it great? If they're enjoying it at home or in their car, go around the freeway. If they're having a wreck on the freeway, you know what it was? They got so involved with listening to what's going around here. All right. I'll tell you how it first happened when I talked about how I can tell you where it happened. And it's something very personal. Extremely personal. It came through a great disappointment. A great disappointment. And I felt like my whole world had come to an end. You know, it's not what you do with something that happens. It's not what happens to you. It's what you do with that thing after it happens. And it goes back again to the will of the Lord. At that time, I felt that that which had happened to me, was the greatest tragedy of my life. I thought I could never rise again. Never. Never. No one will ever know. No one will ever know. If you've never died, you know what I'm talking about. I can go to the place. It was a dead end street. It was four o 'clock on a Saturday afternoon. I know the time. A dead end street. I felt I had come to a dead end in my life. You know, sometimes it's a thousand. Times easier to die physically than to keep on living. A thousand times easier. To in that moment, have your old heart take its last speech. You know - born again, you know you belong to him. It would be the easiest thing in the world if he would just lay a hand on the old heart and not let it beat again. It would be so wonderful in that moment if he would just have the angel stick. He would just pick you up because you know you belong to him you know you're his child and you know that the old heart would take his last beat and you know that the angels came to taste that you'd be in his presence there's no uncertainty about that and it'd be so easy it'd be so wonderful There'd be no more criticism. There'd be no more misunderstanding. You see, the Lord forgives, but people don't. We stay about little children. Children can be so unkind and so thoughtful on the playground, you know. But I'll tell you, it's a... else it would be much better if you just take a gun pull the trigger and kill that one rather than to take the sword of the spirit and this is what christians will do they use it not for healing they use it not in mercy they use it not with compassion but they take it and they use it as a sword and they'll drive it in and they'll drive it in and they'll drive it in and they'll pierce your heart and they'll pierce it clear through it's much easier to Guy and Delia. The end of that Aryan street is when I died four o 'clock on a Saturday afternoon. Today, I feel it was a part of God's perfect will for my life.