17. Questions and Answers 2

Welcome to Track. #17 of the road to Calvary. Now I want you to ask any question that you have. Before we give you yes question, I wish to know how to how do we deal with rebellion in the church? I mean suck, suck them. You see, there is no cure. Prodigal son will come back, but Absalom will try to enjoy your pleasure sports and kill you. You can't believe it, you see, Suck them. The pastor who saw the ninja, I told him sack him and he sacked him. From that day till today, his church has stability and peace. Me, I've sacked my assistant before. That's why I said since that time I've had peace. Occasionally after some years, people forget, so a new one comes. You just have to sack him again and then people will remember for some few more years. Then you'll be going to the new one camps. Then you suck that one too. You see, the Bible says the anointing flows from the head down through the beard to the garments. The head is the senior pastor, the beard are the associates, and the garments are the members. So for the the beard, it can be shaved. You shave it, it will grow. Another one will grow. You cannot cut off the head. If you cut off the head, everybody is finished. A new one will grow. What do you think? Is there a good message? Don't be afraid of anybody. When you are young in the ministry, you are afraid of people. As you go, you realize that nobody is is indispensable. We had a pastor in Medina, He died. Now we are building a church that we are buying land there, 100 and something million we are building. We had a pastor in Sacramento. He died. Now we are building a very big church in Sacomo. We had a pastor and I gave here. He died. Now we have already built a building. I went to dedicate. Is that dedicated? I think so. Yeah. Dedicated. It does it. If this were to wake up from the dead, they would see that the work they were doing, some are doing better. So I am not relevant to the church if I'm if I am not here. Those of you who knew Reverend Amaku when he was, he was so powerful, so great, you will not imagine the church without him. Yet in the day that he was removed, a year later, nobody even really thinks much about him. I tell you, nobody is important. Only God is important. You can all, we are all assistants of Jesus. We are all associate. We can be shaped. This is the head. We are the body. Yeah, here is a pastor who want to go out of his church, but the head told him I will never leave you and the pastor left. So how do you see? What do you see about this? The pastor said I will never. The head said I will never release you. Yes. You just say bye bye and go. You've gone. The repercussions when he says I will never leave you. Is he a prison or what? Is there a spiritual prison? No, no. But it's like he's using what bondage or what to keep him there or what. But no, Christ has set us free. If you want to go, you can go. It's not, it's not by force. But if you offend the person as you are going, that's a different thing. But if it's a blessing that they won't bless you, or they won't, whatever, that one is a different thing. Please my question is on communication. One one of the. Things I have noticed most of the time is the communication between the the head pastor and its associate. Sometimes it's very scrappy. It's not smooth and I, I might be wrong. I'm sorry to do the correction. Communication is a two way traffic and I believe that you can call your your pastor all right. But then sometimes you might, you might be talking but you might not be communicating. So I want to know how best you can help us understand the communication. OK, So what he's saying is right, the head pastor and the associate pastor should talk and communicate. So that one, the large responsibility depends on the senior pastor to be a good leader who talks to his people so that you become friends with them. He just said I call you my friends, but some of us, we are already making ourselves as great gods who cannot speak to our subjects. So there should be communication. But you see, all those are the beginnings of difficulties when the communication between the senior pastor and the associate pastor is not blowing is a problem. So there must be communication. So the best is to encourage friendship, eat together, let your wives be friends, let your families be friends, go to each other's houses, become friends. And also, if you are the junior pastor, do things that will make the senior pastor relax. But most senior pastors, they don't trust their junior pastors, who they may not tell you, but they don't trust you. They feel that you would take the church. They are seen two altars in the church, 22 Goliaths. One day a certain pastor came to a certain Bishop and he told himself, I have seen, we came to a certain senior pastor, I have seen two Goliaths in your church. And he said, what are the Goliaths? Said your two assistant pastors, this man and this man, they are the 2 Goliaths. They are one day going to rise and take the church from you. So you see that the assistant pastor, the senior pastor doesn't trust, but he has even been told that there are two Goliaths. There are two Goliaths in the church. Have I answered your question? OK, yes. Misha of my question is on the issue of titles. You said at times some people even find it very difficult to call the experience bishops, which is their right title. There are I'm coming from Kumasi whereby somebody was introduced as pastor, prophet, apostle and this this man, if you call him maybe a. Pastor. Alone, he gets angry. You have to address him by the three titles. And can a man be belonging to those three offices at the same time? OK, If he wants to be called apostle, prophet, pastor and you are in the church, you call him apostle, prophet, pastor. That's what he wants to be and the question is can he occupy those three offices at the same time? He can does it. You don't want to call him apostle. Prefer leave the church and start a good church. Me also, that is my question goes on T Well, I have a ministry and then I've got. A sushi pastor. And he reacting some disloyalty and I I I want to sack him but I don't. Want him to know that I'm sacking him. What should I do? You you don't want him to know that you will sack him in the future or when you are sacking him, you don't want him to know that he's being sacked. Which one? Right now. As you are sacking him, you don't want him to know. No, you know that you are sacking him. The best you can do is you say that you are retiring him, or he should go on permanent leave, or he should go and rest, or you have relieved him of all his duties. Yeah, yes. Mine is a a feeling I just had. I say an appeal to you. Listening to most of the questions that have come out so far, it looks like there's a big problem between senior pastors and associate pastors. It's like, it's like an epidemic. I wanted to, I feel feel this way. Maybe having been placed in this office by the Lord, could you prayerfully think about it? What can be done? Possibly, maybe if you can in a not too distant future, a programme for associates alone so that possibly you could be of some help of ministry because I think that this thing is really a serious problem. And, and, and I'm saying that from my own experience as a senior pastor, I used to have an associate who was, he was, this lawyer was fired and I've made a mistake of taking him on. I had to fire him too. And presently I have an associate that is true sweet. And it makes the work so easy. So, so, so wonderful. And as I'm listening to all these comments that have been passed, I wanted to suggest if it is maybe the law would switch you on that way with the kind of position you have some kind of opportunity for our sources to be helped because I think this thing is really a problem in the in the body today. Yeah. OK. So I think we need to solve the problem. Yes, Sir. Assuming you have an associate and then he he decides to resign, goes to another place and then he realizes that the place is not good but. Because of. Forgiveness. You forgive him, he comes to you, you converse together and then he begins to bring the problems of his new church to you. And after helping him, somehow he decides he wants to come back. Do you receive him? My second question is if you have 3 or 4 leaders misbehaving because you introduce maybe a training programme and they felt it would take much of their time and some submitted, do you have to fire all the four at once or you fire 1 to discourage the others especially, especially if the church is a young church coming up. OK, the first question is if the person leaves your church, he goes to another church and he comes back, somebody may want to take him, somebody may may not want to take him. But personally I would like to receive him as a friend, but not to come and work again in the church. I think he can be a a brother, a friend or whatever. But to work in the church you have to be very sure. And I I wouldn't advise it, but I think it's an individual thing, but can do whatever. But I would I would find it difficult to it would take a lot. See, when you fall from the top of a mountain, it takes a long time to climb back to the first place that you were before you fell down. So it's not a matter of instantly arriving back at the top, you understand. And then the second question is, what do you fire all four? Well, you could fire one to start with the most some way person you could tell you could have a meeting and say because you don't come this, this and that I can because I don't want to have any other. I don't want people who don't come for the train because you say I thought the science somebody who is not prepared to be trained or retrained. You see they are all science and you see them happening over and over. So if it's not great, then when you suck the person and the other three, they don't straighten up. They also become whatever you suck them. I thought if it's a young church, you don't need a lot of people. You alone can do it. You don't need them, you can do it. Thank you for the opportunity. I have two things. Looking at what we have discussed so far on sending this issue off, the inability of associates to submit. It makes me feel like we are now in an era where it is just like an equivalent of women finding it very difficult to submit to their husbands, Associate pastors are finding it difficult to to submit. To the. Senior Pastor. I think it would be it would have been a nice idea for us to have been introducing ourselves whilst we speak like they do on the radio stations. OK, I can start. I'm Simonasige, General Overseer of Sira Cross Nations, Bolgatanga. I'm coming from Upper East. What I was saying was that I'm seeing that there is. Actually a big. Problem there, and whilst we were speaking, all along my attention was being drawn. If we are actually. Seeing a problem, one with the women inability to submit to husbands and two with the associate pastors inability to submit to the senior pastors. Is it actually a problem? Of the associates and women. Or. Is it actually a problem of the leaders who are actually at the top and are more of loading it actually acting as let me put them? Loads or heavyweights? On these people's side that they are rebelling. Which is which? Now 2. I'm beginning to. Have a kind of feeling that some of us are probably getting too much afraid and we are likely not to be able to sleep. We are thinking is somebody not against me and is somebody against my ministry. I believe that these are only things that Bishop is telling us so that we are aware and we are not green about them. But one thing is important. What is of the Lord stands forever and as long as you identify the problem and you put it before God and say the Lord, I know that your it is your ministry and not mine. God in his own wisdom is able just to take away the people saying that it is not every time that you will have to struggle to sack the person. This one other thing that I want to tell you. Thank you very much. So was there a question at the beginning? Is it the problem of the heads or putting too much pressure on the associates and the wives? Or is it not the problem the wives and associates and associates not submitting influence? It's both because we are all human beings. So heads have problems and associates have problems. So partly heads and partly in some case, it's mainly the associates with some way. In some cases the head is so bad that the associates are forced to be some way. Because when you've got a bad. In fact, there are some churches. If I was a member of, I wouldn't stay in that church. I would resign from the church. I would resign from the church because it's difficult to be loyal when you are the under a certain type of head. Very, very difficult. So you must know sometimes you have to leave so that you don't become an Orangu. It's better to resign first so that you don't leave spoil everything and then you become so me, just leave quietly and just move on. I hope I've answered the question and what he's saying. In some cases, God himself can remove the person. You know, one day I was talking to a pastor and he was telling me all the people who have become rebellious, either they are dead or they have left the church themselves. So and and and and because his past one of his pastors was dead and he said that this one of the rebellious people are going to bury Pastor Robbie. Identify yourself and. Robert Ross from South Africa, Durban, you know, now it is the Bishop in in Ghana with regard to like we are, we are registered, you know, as an. I think they would like to see if you stand. We are registered as a non profitable organization together with our government and we are going to also abide by the labour laws that if, if my assistant, if I fire him, if I sack him, he can go to a court of law and I've got to have enough evidence if it was a dismissible offence and he can take me to the court of law and, and as long as the the court of law is investigating it, I must pay him full wages. Do you all have that same system here with the Constitution? Yes, I think we, we, we do have something like that. So in a case where you even don't want the person anymore because you don't like his face, you can lay the person off probably with a package, you know, the banks and so so that they just lay people off. So there are leeways under the same laws which allow you to lay people off. Adele, is that not so? Is that you can you can lay people off? Is that not so? Yeah, how many months salary do you give them? It depends. Sometimes one month, sometimes two months, sometimes three months, sometimes within six months. So within the law there are leeways so that if you, you because it's not everything you can explain and, and, and even in the secular world, they sack you because they don't like you. Simple and short. You know, I had a temple, I had quite a few arangos in the church and let me just to encourage all the pastors, you know that when I when I had perceived in my assistant that he were trying to overthrow. Your assistant was trying to overthrow you. Yes, but very subtly he was he was he was a true epsilon because he was stealing the heart of the people by kissing them a lot as a exactly so nevertheless, I got a hold of your book at that time on loyalty. So wisely for four weeks in the church 2 a week, I went through the whole stages on disloyalty. And so I I made it sink into the church S heart. So then I left the I let the world do the work. And when he made the move and he opened up, we call we call it a, a, a Chinaman S mechanic mentality opened a branch down the road. When he made the move, not even 1%, only the feeble minded left. And secondly, also Bishop that quite recently I had one particular young man and we could see his heart was for the Lord and he had a call upon his life which was quite conspicuous. And so I began to train him in the administration, on ministry and so forth. But he was influenced by somebody else. And so he openly rebelled against me. Now I looked at this young man. He he came out of out of his, all his levels in school with distinction and so forth. And he sacrificed all that for the ministry. And now I knew that way he was dependent on this wage and he's lost so many years for him to now go back and get a trade or a career, he's lost a lot of time. So I brought him in the office, showed him the era of his ways. And it was a total rebellion against me. And I had him. I gave him an option and and for him to repent or else he's going to have to toe the line and showed him the era of his way because he was blinded and he repented. I have him still working with me, but I don't let him out of my sight. I, I just took, I, I just took a lot of privileges away from him and I got him under very wise fatherly discipline to see, to give him a period. And I said to him, I said, now the condition is that this is how we're going to work and I'm giving you time. If you still can't work with me, start sending your CVS out. Yeah. So that's also another way you teach, when you teach it in your church. Look, some Orangus who come back, it will never work to spoil the church. They will go back. Just a few people, if any at all, will follow them. But when you don't know and believe, you see like he's saying, you teach the church so that when the person makes the move or does something, you see that the church is very stable. Say we we have heard of you. You are believing this thing. If I had had the chance to teach about loyalty and disloyalty and Absalom and all these things there, when this thing is happening now, a lot of people's Arabs have been said. This thing is not a correct thing that we are. We are following, but they will not know and they follow blindly. I would say they followed him in the innocence of their mind. Amen. Next, your name please. Yeah, Hassenke Jala, PRO for the Ministerial Council of Churches of Buddhism. Buddhism. Yeah. Buddhubura Bishop, we want to tell you, thank you very much for this ministerial conference. I believe my eyes are in my shopping right now. I have an important question that I want to ask you. I'm a little bit confused on your teaching of forgiveness and the teaching of Sackin. Now I want to know what is the difference between the I want to know the difference between forgiveness and sacking. When we saw the sack and when we saw the forgave and we ought to warn the person first or we just sat down and we forgive before sacking. OK, you must forgive always and immediately. But sacking is something that you do to help you bring order. Now the Bible says your love must increase in all knowledge and spiritual understanding. Love does not go alone. It goes in consonance with understanding and knowledge. So it's not just love. Love forgives, but it must increase in knowledge and in spiritual understanding. So sacking, look, there is a time that if you do not sack the person, it will not be good for the person who you don't sack because he will destroy himself further. Do you understand what I'm saying or you don't get it? So sacking, the reason why I'm saying I'll and I'll emphasize the sacking is because African, we don't take decisions. When somebody is spoiling Ministry of Health, we won't suck him. Somebody is spoiling collabo, we won't suck him. When somebody is spoiling Ghana Airways, they will just go for a new loan, go and buy a new plane, go and do what? But we will not take a decision, suck all of them, remove them, do this. We don't do such things. But abroad, anything that is run by white people, they will change. That's why we are all trying to go to Europe because they are taking decisions and making their system work very well. But we will not, we will leave it until a train is passing on the track and you see that if British is a place they have dug under and the thing will tape over like this with the people in it because we don't take decisions. So decision taking about dismissing people and the people you dismiss the people that I have sacked in my midst, not that I've sacked a lot of people, but if I say I really still love them, I love them and I want them to do well. And sometimes somebody needs to. Joyce Meyer, she had her daughter working for her at the point her daughter was not come, she did not come to work early. She would not come do the work properly. So so one day her mother called and said, you know something, you are my child, everything but we can't do this here. So you you are sacked. She sacked here and she was annoyed she went to find a job when she went to work somewhere else. After a while she realized how even when she was working before was good and she came back. She apologized later they took her back to come and work with them and Ghana. We will not and it's by the sacking cured her. So sometimes you suck. It's not you. And that's why I'm saying that when you sack in love, when you love somebody and you suck the person, I mean, you can always take the person back because actually you love the person. You are trying to let the person sit up. Are you understanding what I'm saying? Yeah. Sure. Yes, Oh yes, sometimes. I mean you. You don't just get up and start sucking everybody. There will be nobody left in your life. You see, like Pastor Robbie said, you teach if you want loyalty. One of the things is teaching. That's why it is ignoramuses who will laugh at you that you are teaching our loyalty. They are ignorant. If you want loyalty, teach it. As for Judas, there will be one whether you teach or you don't teach. But when you teach and the Judas comes, the system is still quiet, it's still stable. They cannot take over everything. I I once I had a comment, I told the people, if you see a pastor trying to take over the church, you shout to the pastor, what? Go pastor, go pastor, go, go. And I told them that the ashes and the men men should carry the pastor and throw him out of the church, organized him out of the church. If I had taught this in that church, the Memphis would have thrown that Bishop out of the church and let them understand who is their real head, that he's actually a caretaker of this diocese or of this area of the church. So if I send you to start a church in Zambia or I send you to start a church in Kumasi, and now you are now telling me that the church in Kumasi is different from the church in Accra and that is different from whatever and so on because of that. And we are doing investments in Kumasi and you see Ashanti people have always been deprived and so Ashantis don't want to be cheated anymore. So now we are no more going to this and that and that and so on. My chess members must rise up and say, my friend, go pastel, go pastel, go out, walk out. I am not telling you Well, I mean it. I'm not joking. I mean it. You want to play around with the church and spoil the whole church. If we don't have a strong attitude towards this thing and it will scatter, you'll be like a fool. You'll be like a fool. Every time I sit on a plane, I risk my life. I should sit on a plane. Go to Australia to start a check, go here to encourage a check. Go here to hold a camp. Go here, do this, do this, go here everywhere, preach a car. The later you you turn around and tell me you are, you are depriving the people. I'm depriving the people in Australia, I'm depriving the people. What kind of nonsense and absurdity is that? You don't want to be part of the check work out. Go to the place where you want to be. Leave us to do whatever we are doing. Don't believe in what we are doing. Go. I'm not the leader of everybody in the world. I'm the leader of those who believe in me. I lead those who like me, those who want me, those who think that I'm doing the right thing and the rest of the people, I am not their leader. And if you also now don't think I'm doing the right thing you don't like now, I'm not your leader. So go and I will lead the people whom I am leading. Don't you say you are winning their hearts to you singing national anthem, using also to bambooze the people. For the people to think that it's like Ghana, something nationalistic, that's a deception. Then let me stay in my church. I will not open any branch. I will stay here and I will not release it. Everybody will be all. Most of my pastors, they were all in the church with me. In Accra, they were all with me. I wish I should have had them. They would be bored of elders, bored of Dickens committee, member, Finance Committee, different committee. I'll meet chief Ashes, so many teams as captains, I would have all of them with me. I've sent them all to start churches. Now you tell me that it's not part of the church. Why you are Lucifer moving to who? The other says. And I look upon him who has turned the world into a wilderness. When Satan walks through their churches, the whole church becomes like a wilderness. Who has turned the church into a wilderness? So teach it, preach it, warn them, counsel and courage. Show love that when it reaches a place, you have to thank them next. Yeah. Bishop, my question two, the first one is, is the associate a son to the head pastor as a father? And if it is the head pastor being a father to the son as associate, what is this supposed for the father to do to the son or the son also to do as a son to the father? The second one is as an associate working under a head pasta, doing all that he can. I think he's doing the 100% job, but what he is required to take is not coming. And these associates worked out. Will you call it a rebellious person? I'm done. Thank you. No, I didn't get the last question. If the if the associates, he's not being paid well, yeah. And goes out Well, yeah. Will he be called a rebellious pastor? If you are working and the pay is not enough, you can leave. It's not a rebellion. Let's say bye, bye. My pay is not enough. I can't stay here. If you start to talk, criticize, spread, stall, urinate in the church before you go so that nobody can come, that is the rebellion. If you don't like the play, you don't like the conditions, you just go. It's not a prison. No church should be a prison. Everybody must be free to go. If you want to go in and out, if you want to go, that is right. And then also, is the associate a son? Sometimes he's a son, sometimes not a son. If he's a son, a son should behave how son should behave. He's a father. The father should behave how father should behave. We talked about that earlier. All right. Next question. OK, I'm Teddy Adu, Shepherd from Covenant Did. You tell us who you were. You are who? Just say, Pastor Otis, from which church? Assemblies of God? Where Assemblies of God? Are you Kumar and Dodua? OK, thank. You Teddy Adu from Covenant Family Community Church and I'm a shepherd. I want to know what a. Senior pastor ought to do with an associate who before is a good associate, but maybe because of some bad association has turned out to become an A senior zoo and then an or whatever. And then, and then you, the senior pastor, you know that there is some good virtue in the associate and I want to know how you work out to bring him back because it's like you know that before he's a good man and then now he has become a rebel. Then my second question is sometimes we, we think we tend to tend that it's only the associates that tend out to become rebels. But there are churches that you realize that about 80% of the congregations are all rebels. Yes, So, yeah. And and you see that maybe it is not your associate in this case. Can you go ahead and line them up and suck them all? That's my question. What is your first question? My my first question is. An associate who before he was good, but now it's bad because of maybe some bad assault. So you teach him, you train him, you counsel him, you warn him. If he's not doing whatever, you fire him. That is it. The second question is the church members who are rebellious, you have to teach them so that the rebellion will go out of them. Yes, I'm interested in the sake. Ajmandiya Senior Family Family Sanctuary Church. I'm interested in the sake better as to when and how. So my questions are to and when somebody rebelled openly, do you sack him openly or you take him to the office and retire him honorably? My second one is my second one is in the course. Let me answer that question first. If somebody rebelled openly, do you sack him openly or do you take him to the office and to tie him honorably? It depends on how the person rebelled openly. If he rebelled openly in such a way that you have to deal with him there and then, then you sack him. But in all cases, even though you are sacking, you should consider yourself. You may be wrong, you may have been a bad leader. That is why he's even rebelling. So even in the sacking, take your time and do it gently, nicely, kindly and in love and meekly considering yourself are you there so you can always do everything nicely. And if you can avoid disgracing somebody, always try never to disgrace. Because the person you are sacking may turn out to be a great man of God one day and you will be the Satan in his life who sacked him and you always. You see, I was once sacked from a certain church. Every time he's preaching, he will always mention, you see, there was a certain pastor. You get it. The the second one is in the course of teaching, because most of the pastors and the congregation that didn't know about loyalty and others. So Amen. In the course of teaching, how many don't have the book Loyalty and disloyalty? You don't have one. No, you need to have it, you need to study it, make it your book. You attach to the Bible for a long time till you understand it for yourself and you can the people understand it. I tell it will calm down your churches. I promise you. One church I went to the church, they have been have been conventions, fire, explosions, conventions, spirit moving movement, earthquake conventions. Still every year somebody will break away half of the 10th to 10th, 110th, one 8th, 110th. Then a certain Pastor Tony, look, I know somebody who has a medicine for this problem. And he said his Bishop Dan, he wants meals, you invite him. So the guy, after he didn't believe it, after some time he invited him, since I went to his preaching his church, he himself would testify. He has a big church. The whole place has calmed down. And the members themselves, they know what anurango is, because I taught the whole church. I taught them and taught them and taught them. I showed them somebody, some way, what you should do. The whole system has cooled down. The church is very cool now peaceful so that you can spend time building the Kingdom and going forward. You know why David could not build the temple Course you have fought too much too much fighting. When there's so much fight in the church, you cannot build much. You need to have peace in order to build for God. Hallelujah yes I I was fortunate. I had the book, but I have not introduced the book to the members. So as Amen, my problem developed. I started teaching and then this man started telling them he's teaching because of me, that I waited against him about two months and then finally in the course of a communion, he said he wouldn't take the communion. I waited for a week and then I after church I invited him and then just as I invited him, I said well we are here because of Pastor so, so and so. And then he said Pastor Ajman, can I see? I said of course when I said you should have informed me about the meeting and said I will tell you if I have time or not then so I don't have time. So if you leave don't come to the church. So I was there with my others and I told him he was there. I said this man has been fired and then he heard me telling them he has been fired. But my second question is in the course of the teaching because the church invite supported him to a stent until I started the teaching on loyalty and then he came saying we are sorry. He said in the course of that they all saw his behavior so invite they withdrew from him. They did not give him that support. But I want to know even the course of God about two man gods and the loyalty book is saving churches since the second pastor who is saying that I got hold of the book and stabilized my church with it. Because you see the book is fighting the delusions and deception of associate pastors. So what I would do in the course of the teaching? Can you fire him before you finish because he looks like he will not take it. It looks like what he looks like. He is not prepared to receive what you are giving him. He said he should give him time and then try to cancel. But this is all part of it because in fact I read and I realized I have to give you the opportunity to change and in the halfway he refused to change. Do I have to find him a concentrate on the the rest or I should complete the book before I fire him because I am interested in the firing. Thank you. Yeah, I think that. How much have you thought of the book? 2 occasions and I'm prepared to go in for the third one next Sunday. Yeah, yes. And I think I've made my policy to be giving them every three weeks. No, you can continue. So my theme for this season is loyalty and disloyalty until you can teach every week. Teach it every week. Oh, that. I teach loyalty in the Czech Sunday service two months every Sunday. Thank you. Thank you very much. God bless you. It's marvelous. Or the next question? Yes, I'm Reverend Smith from the Invitation of Christmas. I'm Reverend Smith from the Invitation of Christmas Ministry. What I want to know is pertaining to the road to Calvary. I hope I'm not carrying all back backward, but I think I need to ask this question also. And like we all notice that Jesus was on that road and that some people may say that I'm not Christ, I cannot go through social cross. Like in more cases we found out that pastor family are the one that the devil or people attack. Now that is the case, what level should a pastor reach that he needs someone to assisting or help or talk about someone that helped Jesus with the cross? For example, Lady Bauer said that the pastor is the head for his family and if someone come in and attack a family, does he need to have a head for to fight if there is a case to fight and if he is the protector of his family and, and somebody come to attack and in the, in the way of those in the suffering will be attacked. I, I really would like I, I, I didn't get a message. I didn't get a question. So I don't know whether somebody can. Yeah. What do you get the do you get the question? I think you understand it better. All right. OK, OK. I think he took the mic. And then just a quick summary of the question. I think he was asking about the route to Calgary and when do you need an assistant and in the he gave an example of you have a family and somebody comes to attack your family. When would you, I mean, do you need an assistant to fight to protect physically? Well, go to the police station and because I mean. Is is that what? Physical fights, yeah, somebody attacks your family, go to the go to the law is there, go to the police station for the person. Because you can also intend you can kill a person by just trying to fight back before you realize you're a madra and you are going to prison. So in those time, those cases you can go. To a police station and. Sort it out all right? I'm Pastor Ibrah from temporarily if your senior pastor has accepted somebody from another church as a pastor and you you are a member and or you are a leader, but you can see that that pastor is this lawyer, but your pastor doesn't say what do you do? You, you are a member or you are one of the leaders. But you see that our pastor, our pastor is a this royal person to his senior pastor. Senior pastor you, what do you do? As a member. That is, you got to know by the way the person talks. All of us must try and get this book because in all the chapters most of these questions are answered. For example, one of the chapters we talked about the fact that loyalty does not withhold information. Now if you know that associate pastor is saying things about the about the senior pastor and so on, it's your duty to tell the senior pastor. Paul said. It has been told me by the House of Chloe. So somebody told Paul that something is going wrong in the church, so you also must tell the senior person that, listen, this is the Syrian pastor, he said this, and I'm willing to stand by what I'm saying if he's called in. And I think that those things will end if they know that in this church you don't allow people to just talk by heart. Because if you say it, I'm going to tell the person they will. They will stop that nonsense. How is he behaving like? Come to church leads doesn't come to evening service when you meet for a pray meet and doesn't show up. But I haven't said anything bad. And the senior pastor you have seen? But you don't know you there. Buy a copy of the book for a senior pastor and show him the chapter of the science. And I think that I also have some tapes preaching tapes on loyalty and disloyalty, because sometimes when you listen to the tapes, it helps you to understand the book better. So you need both the books. I've got a whole lot of series on loyalty and disloyalty, and as you listen and listen, you will understand it better. OK, yes, Rebella. Yes, I'm Joel above Julie from Buttubura. My question is concerning loyalty. You see a loyalty and rebellion or disloyalty. Now this is a pastor who was sent on mission, and he was left all alone by the one who sent him. He strive with the work and the church without any word from the one that sent him, without any aid, without anything, nothing. And the church began to bloom by the grace of God. And after some time he had been sent for to be transferred to another church, or he was just sent for to be dismissed, or to your he was sent for and said that he should go and learn because he is too immature for the ministry. So. And if this pastor who have been sent rebels, will he be wrong for repelling? Yes, he will be wrong. He will be wrong. He was sent, he was appointed. He was put there. Yeah. I. Believe so. I think like Bishop is saying, I mean if you have been sent, the fact that you have gone in the name of the church means that you are representing the senior pastor there. So if you take over, you know, even though the church blooms within six months, you count 5000, you are working under the ban of a certain name, which is not originated from you. So if you are transferred, the man has the social for you to transfer you. So if you don't agree, step up. But if you rebel, it's it's, it's it's it's you're wrong because you're working under that banner. And there's not either because I've sent to you, I must buy instrument or buy a car or buy a give you a house. If you have been sent in the name, you know, sometimes the the tower in the name somebody gives you and you go there, somebody go to a place at from lighthouse. That alone gives you domatic membership without knowing. So the failure working under that banner of that name makes you subject to that. What is going on? So if we take that to each of rebelled. I'm Prosper Donko. Scripture in your Teman, please. I want to ask because the afternoon you said it would be dangerous for maybe two or three people coming together to start a church. So I want to ask, let's assume this is two people who are gifted in different ministries, Assuming one is for evangelism and one is to pastor a church. And these two people have realized that they can come together and work as and maybe start a church. Whereas one will go out to evangelize and one will pastor the church and nature the the people to to grow. What else do you say about or what will you say about these two different people? Well, it's a nice thing for you to have. One will go and evangelize and one will pass to the people, but practically, practically, one of them will have to be the head and take the decisions. And maybe you see that soon the man will be saying that, look, this evangelism you are going on is disturbing us. We need to have a meeting. We need to do this and we need to do that. So whatever the you have A1 evangelist and one pastor who is the leader and who can sack who if you can answer that question and the Joe will say Jimmy can sack Joe and Joe will say I can be sacked. Because I remember 1 church the pastor, associate pastor was transferred. I was talking to the assistant. He said that even for the fact that the word transfer should be used on somebody like me. That's what he said. The word transfer should be used on somebody like me. It's like you are too big to ever have such a word to be used on you transfer you see because you are a Co founder or whatever. So you've got to be careful. Are you glad to be on Calvary Rd. Let's just go through what we learned on the Calvary Rd. Amen. As we close, how many have been blessed in Iron sharpener Iron Amen. Next year, iron sharpener iron convention will be coming on, God willing, in the same last. Are we in the last week of June? The last week of June? Yeah, the last week of June. So God bless you. What we learned #1 is what on the Cauvery Rd. the need for others, someone to help you, is that not so? Simon of Sirene? Listen, if you were not here for Simon of Sirene, it is important that you get Simon of Sirene. It's very important #2 we learned what the need to have a deeper knowledge of the scriptures on Calvary Rd. Is that not so? Like Jesus #3 what did you learn? The wounds and the forgiveness that you need to practice on Calvary. Calvary's road is that not so? And the next is what? Humility. You will learn humility on the road to Calvary. How many have realised that you learn humility on the road to Calvary? Amen. The next thing is you learn what? Fatherhood. You learn about the Father's existence because Jesus called and said Father forgive them. The next thing is you learn what deep calleth unto deep. How many are going to the beach to try and listen to the deep, calling on the deep and the mean. The reason why we are not responding or making the noise that we need to make when God touches us is because the deepness of God is not reaching the deepness of us. It's shallow. But I would say these are they which having no roots are shallow. They have no depth. When the sun rises and there's a little heat, they wither away and it is over. So God wants to go deep and He's calling the deeper part of you. And I tell you all these messages, if you don't allow the depth of you to be spoken to and allow the thing to go deep, it will not have an effect on you. That is why you need to get the tapes, Spend the money on the tapes. I'm telling you, believe God to get all the tapes necessary because when there is something that we need to do, we are able to do it. Believe God, even if it will take you one man for whatever. Get it so that you listen. Soak it in so that it goes from the shallowness of your thoughts deep into your heart so that the deepness of God can call the deep. And we hear the billows rolling over. Hallelujah. The next one is 1 Eternity mindedness. That was also very powerful. God is showing us, set your affection. How do we see that Jesus was eternity minded? He told the guy paradise today with me, Jesus came alive when he was, he had to talk about heaven, paradise. We are the believers of paradise. We believe we have paradise. Paradise does not belong to Muslims, belong to Christians. Maybe they also have a paradise, but we have a paradise in our Bible. Amen. The next one is what true true faith and not what is little faith Believing for What food, clothing, houses, cars? Jesus called it what little faith? O ye of little faith, why take ye thought for what you shall put on, what you shall wear, what you shall have, what you shall eat, O ye of little faith? And why did Jesus not want us to have that little faith? Because you are just like the Gentiles, and for such things you are just like a Gentile. Be careful of becoming like a Gentile. Come up from among them and be separate, and I will be your God and you shall be my people. God wants you to be His people, special, separated and to Him. Amen. The next one is what separation? How many realize you become more and more separated and separated and separated until it's just you alone, even to the point of being separated from your wife? Adam, he was not separated from his wife, so he joined his wife and took us all. Who ate the fruit first? Merzi Eve ate it first. Adam was coolly going to heaven. Still he took it and they all went Merzi, Huh? He couldn't stand the pressure. Adam couldn't stand the pressure. May you stand the pressure. In the name of Jesus, Amen. The next one is what? What true accomplishment that are spiritual and eternal? How many want to accomplish something eternal, something that is valuable? Next one is what? Loyalty to who? Loyalty to all the forms of loyalty and disloyalty are revealed. Who? Whose loyalty did you see on Calvary Rd. #1 was who? Judas huh, He started the whole carvery roads and then after that whose loyalty was exposed? Peter and then after that who the rest of the disciples and after that who? Then we have Jesus favorites, the last survivors, Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary the sister of mother, Mary the wife of Cleophas and Mary Magdalene. Oh, this mother of Cleophas, I don't know what her reward was because of Mary Magdalene. We know she saw the vision. And then John too, we know he had the vision, but I don't know about the wife of Cleophas. Maybe when we get to heaven, try and find out. Mary, huh? At least her name is in the Bible. Yeah. Some powerful blessings for her. She was there. I said she was there. Will you be there when the fire is hottest? Will you be found there? And who else? John. So the last survivors of the loyalty route, and then we had 39 signs or 37 signs, signs of loyalty, disloyalty. So make sure you get the book, read it, build your churches, go forward with the Lord. The Lord has a great thing, greater than you have in mind for yourself, higher than you have in mind for yourself. Some of the prophecies that came during the conference, they are for you personally. Receive them, walk in them despite not prophesying. believe in God, believe also in His prophets, that you may prosper and that you may be established in the ministry, and that the Lord may lift you to the place that He has determined for your life. In the name of Jesus Christ, whose I am and whom I said, may His favor and His blessing, and may the grace of God and the abundance of God and the knowledge of God abound into your life, into your heart, into your spirit, into your ministry. May you go forward and and do well and succeed. May you fight and never retreat. May you go forward and not backward. May you succeed where others could not succeed, where others failed, where others failed before you. May you come and stand, and having that all to stand, may you stand and survive and prevail and succeed in the midst of persecution and difficulty. May the wisdom of God be your portion, and the blessings of Jehovah be your portion. And May God take care of you as he takes care of all those that serve him. May he supply all your needs according to his speeches. May he prove by angels and superior powers that he is God. Jehovah Jireh El Shaddam, more than enough for your life and for your ministry. In the name of the Father, in the name of the faithful Son, the Son who died and rose after three days from the grave to experience the glory. May you also rise into that glory one day. May you rise from the dead. May you climb onto the cross and move from the cross into the glory of God. May you experience the new transforming power in your churches and your ministries and your lives. You shall never be the same again. I said never the same again, never the same again, never the same again, never the same again in Jesus name and everybody give the Lord a shout of Amen. I will never. Be the same again. Never return. I will never return. Oh how close that door. I will walk the bird, I will walk the bird. Run the race. I will run the race and I will never be the same again. I will never be the same. I will never be. Let's say again. I will never return. Oh, I will stand all. I will wonder, but I will wonder. But I will run there and I will never. Be the same again. Fall like fire, fall like fire, soak like rain. So light flow like mighty waters, flow like mighty again and again, again. And you sweep away the darkness. Sweep away the dark, then away the child, then away the child and the flame. To glorify, To glorify your. I will never be the same again. That I say again. I will never return. Yeah, I'll close that door. I will walk the fire. Run the race. I will run the race. Oh, well, I will never be the same. Fall like fire. So like rain. Flow like mighty waters. Flow like. Sleep away the darkness, sleep away the dark, then away the champ and away the and then the lake. To glory. Deeper seas, deeper. See, Whatever you need to do, whatever you need to love, do it in me. I'll do it. The glory of God fills my life, fills my. Life. I. Listen. Jesus. I want to recommend all the pastors get a cross. You know why we put it in the pocket to put it. You put the cross over your heart, and the cross of Jesus and the sacrifice He made for you will always be on your heart and what it means to take up your cross and follow Jesus, and it will always be dear to you and dear to your heart. Oh. Jesus. The cross is the symbol of the church. Hallelujah. It's the cross of Christ that has the power. That is what has redeemed and rescued us. That's why we wear a cross. It will be popular. Again, it will be popular again in the last day. Get a cross and put it, if we have some, get some for you, but get a cross, you can get them. The best necklace every lady should wear is a cross. My wife was wearing a cross. She went to Egypt and she was going to Singapore and somebody saw her. She had a cross. He said wow, you are a Christian. You see, it's not just a fashion, it means something. That's right. And for even us, the brothers, you can have a gold one. Just shows your gold cross. He's always wearing his gold cross. You see that? It's powerful. He's wearing a cross. You can wear a gold cross. You can wear an old rugged cross like this one. I love you. I'll cherish it. I will cherish it. I'll hold it. I'll hold. It. The old rugged cross, oh Jesus. And I put it on my heart. Hallelujah, because the cross is on my heart all the time. What he did for me and what am I do for him? I'll cherish it. I'll hold it, and one day I'll exchange it. One day I'll exchange the old cross for the crown. I love you. Come on Jesus, we love you. The emblem. So I cherish the old ragged growl till I just love this. I last night died. Oh, I will play till the old ragged. Look, you people are becoming powerful. I can already feel some new type of power, I said. I can feel some new kind of power. You see it's a different kind of power, because you see, as you were preaching, something said to me, look at them, they have started to lift their head upwards. They have started to lift their eyes upwards towards eternal things and towards God, away from this earth. Something said, look at them, they've started to lift up their eyes to God. A new kind of power is coming into your life. I said. A new kind of power is coming to your life. Hey, let me tell you something. Go home to your church and build your church properly. Build it upon the cross and the foundation of Jesus Christ. Let your church work. It's going to work. I promise you it's going to work. God will bless you. God will bless it. God will help it. God will lift it, I said. He will lift it. He will lift you up from where you are and he will stabilize you. They all rugged cross. It's religion. New kind of power into the atmosphere. New glory is coming. New authority is coming. You're going to make it soon. You'll see Simon of Cyrene just around, just around, just around somewhere when you thought you weren't going to make it anymore. You'll find Simon coming to Simonize you. You'll make it. God told me to tell you, you are going to make it. I said you are going to make it. Some people thought you were a small boy, but they don't know that. God has decided to lift you up, and God has decided to use you. When you hear that, says the small boy, just begin to laugh to yourself that then I was told about this thing. Your church will make it. I said your church will make it. I said your church. I said your church, your ministry, your calling. It's not a joke. It's a real calling. It's a real church. I said. It's a real church. God is on your side. God is with you. God has called you. Don't mind the devil, God has called you. He will bless it. I said He will bless it. He will bless your right hand. I said. He will bless your right hand and he will bless your left hand. He will lift up the weakness of your life and strengthen the strength of your life. To the old riot. I see an army, I said. I see an army and I see them going, going, and they are going fearless, Fearless. They are not afraid to die. At first they were afraid to die, they were afraid to lose. But now they are not afraid to lose something. They are not afraid to die anymore. They are not afraid to fight for God anymore. And where are they going? Where are they going? Where is the army going? They are going to the to the people who need God. They are going to the far corners of the world. They are going where their hands are lifted up. Help me somebody. They are going. I see the army and you are you are one of the army. You are one of the warriors of that army. Going, going, going. Where are they going? Where their hands are lifted up? Help me. People are lifting their hands and say help me. God is sending you to somebody who needs help. I see the army. Where the army going? They are going where there is a need, where God has called them. Where are they going? They are going where the devil is thrown. They are going to defeat the enemy in the name of the Lord, in the name of the cross. The army. Same army, the same army. I see it. Thank you, Lord. They are going where there is nothing, where there is nothing. And by the time this army crosses, there will be something. There will be something, There will be something. I said there will be something. There will be something. Go home with that strength. Go home with that faith. Or God has put something in your hand. You may not see with your physical eyes, but there is a new weapon in your hand. I said there is a new weapon in your hand. Satan is afraid of what is in your hand because something he cannot fight with is now within your hand. It's within your reach. You are holding it. So go home and fight with your new weapon that the Lord has placed in your hand, that you may win and not be defeated. Battles you lost, you shall win now as the battles you lost you shall win now, for the Lord shall do it now for you now. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you Lord. Thank you, Lord, and I'll come. To the old rugged broad and exchange it. Father, thank you. Thanks for your blessing. Lord. We will cherish your great blessings, for you have healed us. Lord, you have rescued us. You have blessed us. Lord, we thank you. We praise you for the army. They are not cowards. They are strong because they love you and they will live for you. Thank you, Lord, thank you, thank you, thank you. God bless you. Baby sitter, Baby sitter. I will cling to the old ragged. Father, thank you for your blessing, thank you for your healing. Thank the Lord for his blessing. God willing, if the Lord blesses us with life and with strength, either next year or before next year, you'll hear of iron, sharpened iron come and the Lord shall anoint you and sharpen your thoughts. The fight with the enemy and the Lord is taking you to a next level. I tell you it works. I say it works. You'll be surprised how it works. So don't be afraid as you go. He's with you, He likes you. Very few people choose to be pastors. You are special. The fact that you chose to be a pastor, you don't know how special you are. It's when you get to heaven that you will see that you are special, that you even choose that this is the work you do. Thank God for such a decision that you made to serve Him and to work for him. It's a special thing, it's a special thing, it's a special thing and you will be honored by God. The world does not honour pastors. The world honours footballers and beauty Queens, soccer players. But he said because you set your love on me, I will honor you. I will set you on high. God will honor you. One day. You will be very surprised. You will be very, very surprised that this thing that you've chosen to do, God has decided to honor you and well within honor you. They despise us, but God chosen to honor you. What an honor is bestowed upon you to be strong and be determined. Let your forehead be sharper and harder than the forehead of your enemies, or the Lord will do it. You will see it practically in your life. It shall come to pass. You will do it. Hallelujah. Why don't you stand to your feet and give a lot of praise and a shot and a club? Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful time that we have had in the presence of God. Bishop, thank you, thank you, thank you, Bishop. Thank you, Bishop, for pouring out so much to us. Hallelujah. We hope you have been blessed and transformed by this camp. To get the most out of it, you will need to listen to it over and over again. Make sure you listen to all the other camps in the Machinaire. Don't forget to stop by our website at www.daguidmills.org. Here you can download other messages, videos and find out about all the books and other resources available by Daguidmills. May God bless you in your ministry.