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13. Church Growth And Copying
Bishop Dag Heward-MillsAbout this sermon
Camp Title - Mission Africa ‘The Ministry of The Sower’. Machaneh Collection - 90. Preached in 2014, Zambia (Livingstone). Bishop Dag Heward-Mills is a world-renowned evangelist, bestselling Christian author with over 100 books, and leader of the United Denominations, present in 100+ countries. Through his Healing Jesus Campaigns, thousands have been healed, and millions saved across Africa and beyond. As you follow this podcast, may you begin to know God in a way you have never before! Don’t forget to click the follow button and turn on notifications
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Welcome to track #13 of Mission Africa. Now, I believe that you are having a great time and we are continuing on our subject of church growth. We are sowing seeds so that our churches will grow. How many don't have a Mccanne? How many don't know what do not have Mccanne? You do not have how many have Mccanne? Where are you people from? Zimbabwe. OK, All right, so how many do not have? I want to see by hand. You didn't raise your hand, so just raise it so that I just want to give an idea. OK? All right. Now the next area that I want us to look at is church growth and copying, or you could call it prosperity and copying. Copying is the art of following a pattern until you have reproduced a good imitation of the original. How many want to produce a good imitation of the original? Now, once you have something that is originally good, there is nothing wrong with producing a good imitation of the original. All right? All successful pastors and churches have copied from someone else. Amen. There is no shame in copying Amen. From whom? Someone who has experienced what you need. Copying may be a bad word to you, but it is not a bad word unle
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Welcome to track #13 of Mission Africa. Now, I believe that you are having a great time and we are continuing on our subject of church growth. We are sowing seeds so that our churches will grow. How many don't have a Mccanne? How many don't know what do not have Mccanne? You do not have how many have Mccanne? Where are you people from? Zimbabwe. OK, All right, so how many do not have? I want to see by hand. You didn't raise your hand, so just raise it so that I just want to give an idea. OK? All right. Now the next area that I want us to look at is church growth and copying, or you could call it prosperity and copying. Copying is the art of following a pattern until you have reproduced a good imitation of the original. How many want to produce a good imitation of the original? Now, once you have something that is originally good, there is nothing wrong with producing a good imitation of the original. All right? All successful pastors and churches have copied from someone else. Amen. There is no shame in copying Amen. From whom? Someone who has experienced what you need. Copying may be a bad word to you, but it is not a bad word unless it is being done in examinations. Copying is God's methods of learning with babies and children who cannot read or write or sit down in a classroom because of their short attention span, They cannot do that. But they learn a language faster than you who can read and write, copy and type. Wow, is it not amazing? Then how do children learn a language, A complicated language like Chinese or Korean? They learn to speak English better than your English within a couple of years of being babies. Meanwhile, they can't write, they can't read, they can't spell, but they can't talk. They can't speak the language and you cannot, even though you can write, read, type, go on the Internet, check the Google meanings, but you can't learn the language because you cannot copy. Is it not amazing? So copying is the art of catching up and searching for it. So the church in Zambia and Zimbabwe, I'm not even considering. The church from Malawi and Mumbashi almost nonexistent at this camp. I don't think I should even consider that you are even here. You are here, but like it's virtually you didn't come, you understand, it's mostly Zambia and Zimbabwe. Even that is mostly Zambia. You get it. So we are going to have yours also at where you are by the grace of God. So Lake, we are coming to Lake Malawi. Lake Malawi. All right. Are you all for Malawi? I hear you have a beautiful lake there with the most species of fish in the whole world. So we are coming to Lake Malawi. So get ready. Wow. Yeah. But if you claim this camp as your camp, we cannot come for yours. Do you understand? If you claim that this camp is your camp, then it means your camp has been held already. So do you claim this camp as yours? You are just visitors, isn't it? Yeah. Just consider yourself as visitors who are just passing through. And you saw that we're having a camp, and you came around. All right, so copying is a very, very wonderful act. Every great worship leader copied from some other worship leader somewhere else. Yeah. Every great worship leader copied from another worship leader. Every great evangelist copied from another great evangelist. Every great man of God is a copy of some other man of God somewhere. If you watch me closely, you'll find out that I'm a copy of a man of God or a number of men of God. If you if you have the patience and the time, you will discover that I'm simply a copy, and sometimes a bad copy. But if you look close enough, you'll see that even the bad copy is a copy. Wow. Every anointing is a copy of the of another anointing. The anointing that came on Peter, James, and John was simply a copy of the anointing that was on Jesus. It was a copy of the anointing. That's why Jesus breathed. Receive the Spirit. The anointing that was on Elijah was a copy of the anointing that was on Elijah. So every anointing is a copy of another anointing. Actually some people believe that there is no new anointing. That is the mantle of Jesus on the cross that was divided and shared amongst the apostles and the apostles have gone distributed. So we are all carrying a measure of the anointing. So no new anointing is being introduced into the world. It's the mantle of our Saviour. So we all have like shreds and pieces of the cloth that was around our Saviour. And because no new cloth is being manufactured, it's the one that was on Jesus. When you finish using your shred then it passes on to me instead of I have some of that cloth and then when I finish somebody else's or even whilst I'm using it, some people come and wrap it to catch some of the spirits that is on it. So it's the same thing that is just going all around. That is why people become anointed when other people die, and that is why death of a man of God is a spiritual event, never accidental. No pastor dies accidentally. And it's always marked in the Bible. You know, that's why when John the Baptist died, they came to report it to Jesus. That's why when Moses died, it was the commissioning of Joshua. He says Moses died, my servant is dead. Now arise. And that is why you see the ministry of Abraham begins when his father dies and when Abraham's Isaac's ministry begins when his father is no more on the scene, and Jacob's ministry also grows after them. So you have to realize that anointing is just something that is being passed around. Pass me the plate, you know, pass it, pass it, pass it, pass it. Hallelujah. So if we are going to be a great church in Zambia and Zimbabwe, we must decide to be a copy of another church that is working. Amen. And it must be your spiritual desire or spiritual Daisy Ray, Amen. Your spiritual Desiree all right, to be a copy of somebody who has done it before. Stop coming up with this original idea thing that you are having, All right? It's silly. Look at the Brazilian hair that you've done on your hair, isn't it? You don't have Brazilian hair in Zambia. You have Brazilian hair. Is it not somebody's hair that you see that? You say I want this hairstyle. Usually it is somebody's hair, all right? And you say, wow, I want my hair to be like this hair. Wow. Or you go to a wedding and you see somebody's nice dress and say I want to have a dress like this. Sometimes you take a picture and people think you are taking pictures because you love them, but you are taking picture of their dress and you go and show it to your hairdresser because I want this hairstyle. Do it like this. Wow. So tell somebody I'm ready to copy now. All right. Churches that work are pasted by people. Pastors of a certain kind. Brother with a close eyes. Brother with a closed eyes. What? No, no, no. No. Brother here. No. Not in this one. Yeah. To what purpose are you closing your eyes? Are you? No, don't. Don't fire. No, Don't. No. To what purpose are you closing your eyes? Stand up. I want to ask you a question. Stand up, brother. What is the purpose of? Are you meditating? Are you seeing a vision? We want you to share it with us. Dozen. Through thy words thou shalt be justified. And through thy words thou shalt be condemned. Fire the man, please. OK. Right. Do not be mystical about the formula to greatness in God, Amen. Do not be mystical about the formula to greatness in God, Amen. Do not be mystical. Don't present something spooky. All right, do not beat about the Bush. Go directly to God's method of producing greatness. Yeah, don't beat about the Bush and don't be mystical. Amen. Churches that work are pasted by testers of a certain kind, and churches that grow are pastored by men and women of a certain kind. Since that is also your vision, why don't you become another of the same kind? Huh. Why don't you become another of the same kind? Copying is the way to the anointing. Copying is the key to greatness in God. Copying is the open door for you to enter the things of the Kingdom. If there is a great evangelist, another of the same kind of great evangelist will also be a great evangelist. You understand that if there's a great evangelist, another of that same type, it would be great as well, isn't it? If there is an anointed pastor, Let's say the pastor of Winess Chapel is an anointed pastor, Huh. If there was another Bishop Ojedipo, another of the same kind like him, would he not be a powerful person? Very powerful? Yeah. If there's a powerful apostle, another of the same kind will be powerful. You are not special or different. You are simply going to become another of the kind that God has raised up already. No new plants are going to be created. We can only have another of the same kind of apple tree, another of the same kind of pear tree, another of the same kind of mango tree. But there's not going to be any new tree created. So we can only have another of the same kind of tree. OK, So instead of trying, if you want to bear fruit, just become another apple tree, like the one that is standing there that is bearing fruit. Wow, it won't be long and we'll be going home. You don't have much time for trial and error. You cannot afford time for experiments. Hallelujah. You may be in the middle of your experiment when the Lord calls you. Experiment of trying out new things. OK, you need to get straight to the point. You need the anointing and you need it fast. You need to preach well, and you need to preach well now. You need to heal the sick and raise the dead, and you need it to happen within the time that the Lord has given you. How many years of experimentation are you going to double in until you become humble enough to copy someone's success? How many years of experimentation, huh? Are you the Lamb of God that has to be sacrificed? Your whole life has to be used to prove certain things are true in the Bible. How long are you going to live experimenting? We are all copies of something else. Begin to accept that you are copies of something. Amen. Do you want to raise up a great church? Do you want church growth? Don't think that you are unique. Thoughts of being unique will keep you out from learning from obvious examples in front of you. God wants to raise up more Mecca churches. Lighthouse Chapel has the potential to have 1000 members in every single church. Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah is copying A biblical thing. Yes. Genesis chapter one, verse 12. And the earth brought forth grass and the herb yielding seed after his kind. And God saw that it was good. And God created every living creature after their kind. And God saw that it was good. It's good to copy things. Amen. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind. And God saw that it was good to make another of the same kind. Wow. God saw that it was good to make another of the same kind. God, God, man, it's a good life. It's a sweet life if I can make a copy of something that is working. Wow. Have you heard of this car? Osafo Dazi? A car called Osafo Dazi? Have you heard of a car called Mercedes-Benz? I want to make a copy of a Mercedes-Benz and give it to you. Exactly. Mercedes-Benz, Would you like that? What about Osafo Dazi car? You don't want that good. You are asking what type of car it has. It's a car. But you see, you want a copy of one that is already working. Isn't it one that you already know that this one, it works. This one, it is doing wonders already. That is the one that you want. You don't want something strange. So when you see amongst people say that this pasta, his ministry is working, this church is working, this way is working, then that's the one that you want another of the same kind, not something new that is coming from your own ideas or so for Dazika, new and original or so for Dazika. What a shock God has. You see, creation is very difficult. You get it. Copying is easier. Making a copy, like making an agreement. You make an agreement, but then you make a copy. Amen. You make an agreement original, then you make copies. Copying is much easier. Wow, are you? Are you thinking of something you are going to copy? Somebody you are going to copy? Don't you think your life will be better if you had some pasta? A successful shepherd in your church that you were copying and, and, and what God wants us to to understand is that any attempt by you to make yourself original that you are going to create your own brand new Osafodazi ministry. Osafodazi branch one. We have powerful branches and mega branches and pastes. And that is why you must consider yourself very blessed to be in this particular church. I mean Lighthouse Chapel International because you you don't have a problem finding something to copy, Amen. If you want an anointed pastor who has done the ministry in a certain way to to to copy, you can find 1. Bishop Ayi is here. We are all copying. Amen. Why do you want to look for some Osafo Daze pastor? We don't have one in the church. Clap for Jesus and thank God we have Bishop Richard, IE we can't topic. So you see it is it is one thing you see let me show you if I want to make an agreement here in Zambia to buy this building and make it our lighthouse church building in Livingston, let's say this building. OK, now I sit down and I write this agreement hereby declares on the 4th of May 2014 that the social insurance so shall, in exchange for the following pursuance of the following one 2345 set agreement between the Presidents, hereafter call the purchaser and between so and so hereafter call the vendor. Hey, look, when I finished writing this complex agreement sign in the presence of this witness 1-2 whatever. And now I've got an agreement I said we're going to use as a standard agreement for all our purchases in Zambia for a church in Indola, a church in Lusaka, church here, church here in Bakawamba, so many places. All I have to do is to give you that agreement. And almost everybody here can make a copy, but very few people here can make an original. Yeah. So copying is something almost all I can do by creating original things. Few people can do that. Yeah, few people can do that. Original cast, original things, original songs, original music, original messages, original preachings. It's very, very difficult. Very, very, very, very difficult. But a lot of us can make copies. Are you excited about that? Do you want to hear good music? Oh Lord and my God, Oh Lord and my God. Wow. Genesis chapter one, verse 26. Genesis 1 verse 26 Let us make man in our image and after our likeness. Even the creation of man has the element of copying in it. Yeah. Even the creation of man has the element of copying, like how does God himself look like? Let us use God's picture and make an image and then God's likeness. So within God, within man you have three parts, spirit, soul and body. And within God you have three parts, you see. So in a in a sense God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, within man you have the male behaviour and then the female behaviour. God seem to have put more of the jealousy into the women. Oh Lord, Oh my God. Oh Lord, Oh my God, that somebody got himself his copying original things. What is your problem? Now that I know there's only one God in all of the ear, you're my only God and I want you to know my love for you. I'll never let go 'cause I love you so all I want is to serve you. If I live my life again, I'll choose you. It's been worth what the fear is for you. Lord, I love you. There's no one I love you. You gave yourself, You gave your life. When you turn my life all around you gave your life. You save me free, and I serve you for the rest of my day. My Lord and my God, I can't believe you died for me. What sacrifice is Lord and Peter? I'll serve you for the rest of my life. I will build your churches all I want, it's to serve you. If I live my life again, I'll choose you. It's been worth but living for you. Lord, I love you. There's no one I love you. You gave your son. You gave your life when you turn my life all around. You gave your night. You set me free and I serve you for the rest of my day. Go, go, go all on my vision to your mission there, all of my will to do your will. I'll put your burn, I'll build your church and I'll do it again and again. My Jesus, you gain the sun, you gain your life. Or when you turn my life all around, you gain your life. Set me free, and I serve you for the rest of the day. Oh, oh, oh, you gain your life, you gain your life. Oh you turn your life border out, you gain your life. You let me freeze, so I serve you for the rest of my day. Music. Go into all the world and preach the gospel until your life is done. If you love me, obey the Great Commission. Build churches everywhere, in every town, every province, every city. Africa shall be changed. Tell me, how long is it gonna take for you 2 old baby? I have a feeling that I'm waiting in bed for you to go, baby. Yeah, I have a feeling that I'm waiting in bed for you to do my will. So I want to know, am I going to wait in there for your love? Am I going to wait in there for your love? Am I going to wait in there for your love? Am I going to wait in there for your love? Am I going to wait in there for your love? Do you remember what I told you? I told you built a mega church and I told you have a burning vision. Hey, your vision must be big, but all you do who does not lead to judge Rome because your mind is on other things. So I have been thinking, thinking to myself that I'm wasting time on you. So I'm going to change, change your position, replace you and bring in someone else because I have this feeling that I'm working in there for you to open. Hey, hey, hey. I have a feeling that I'm working in there for you to do my will. That's why I'm saying, am I going to waiting for your love? Am I going to waiting for your love? Am I going to waiting for you? Am I going to waiting for your love? So why are you so high? Why are you so difficult? Why don't you want to move? Why don't you want to change? Like I said, for a long time I've been calling out to you. There's always an excuse, a mega church, a mega church. But there are always excuses, more and more excuses. Honesty, I don't think, I don't think that you love me. I think your heart is somewhere else. Because if you love me, hey, if you love me, hey, you don't pay me. You would work much harder now, but I have a feeling that I'm waiting in bed for you to open me. Yeah, I have a feeling that I'm waiting in bed for you to do my way. Gotta say, is he going to waiting for your love? Is he going to waiting for your love? Is he going to waiting for your love? Is he going away? Is there for your dad? Oh, is he gonna? Is he gonna? Is he gonna wait in a bit? Ask your neighbor. Is he gonna? Is he your brother? Is he going to? Is he going? Is he going to wait in there? He's been waiting for you, waiting for a long time, waiting for you to build a mega church, waiting for you to grow the church. He's waiting for you to find the churches. He's waiting for you to grow His word. He's waiting for you to reach out there. He's waiting for you. Hallelujah. Wow, clap your hands. Sure it's not a smartener, it's too heavy. Amen. How many of you believe that you can be a copier to advance your life? Ask your neighbor. Are you kudu original or amma original? Amen. You see, And there's a point Bishop made that you can spend your lifetime experimenting. Amen. And that would have been great if you were Metusella or Seth Amen. If you had 900 years to live on earth, you can spend 450 years trying. You can even spend 600 years and still have 300 years left. You can, you can really spend even 700 years trying how to be a pastor, how to build a new church, how to do this all right now. It is 7070 plus Greece, not 700, not 500. Amen. And even the sovereignty, the effective time for ministry is short. So your best way to advance is to just scan the system and see somebody who has done it well. Amen. If you want to have a camp, you are in a church that has had a camp in Zambia. We've had many camps all over the world. There is a way. You are now going to try a new way of doing camps with only ladies. Ladies camp. You are trying to you are. You are trying to do something that is going to worry you. May we have an eye to see what God has done that is great and have the humility to copy. Amen. Wow, Is he gonna? Is he gonna, Is he gonna, Is he gonna, is he gonna wait in vein? Is he gonna wait in vein right now? Why? Copying will help your ministry. Amen. Number one, copying is the highest is a God giving method of learning for children. Amen is the highest fast track, high speed method of learning. Yeah, high speed, high speed. This is the because now they are making newer trains in Europe. The train used to not be that fast, but now if you sit in a train, it's like a plane. It's almost coming off the tracks. Yeah. So accidents with those type of trains, honestly, it's not going to be easy. Are you there? Yeah. So if you want to learn fast, learn to copy, don't think copy. If you want to learn preaching fast, don't think copy. That's how I learn how to preach. And I copy good preachers. And I don't know if I'm a good preacher, but by the by the people, by the people sometimes who listen to what I'm preaching, you may even you'd be surprised that I'm not such a bad preacher. Amen. I tell you. So what I want to say is high speed copying. Yeah. You want to sing? Well, high speed copying of a good singer. You want to have a good choir? High speed copy of a good choir. You want to look beautiful? Look at the lady who looks nice, High speed copy. Yeah, some people are beautiful, but they don't know what makes them more beautiful than they are, so they always do things to themselves that are injurious to their beauty. Not every hairstyle suits every woman, so not every wake it's a good wig. I can tell a bad wig as soon as I see one. Oh, yeah, and I can tell you how to see a bad wig. Would you like to know how to see a bad wig? The head looks like the person is wearing a cap, a coolly high cap. You can look around and you see. Wow, some people do hairstyle that make their head look like groundnuts. Do you know what a groundnut is? Next time you see it now just put one in here. You realize it's an odd shaped structure anyway, that is just by the way. But when you see somebody looking nice, try to analyze what is it and copy and you'll be surprised. With very little money you will always look very nice without much money. Yeah, beauty is not by money. Some people have money, but the designer too bad. Wow. Copying #2 is God's way of making you humble. Wow. Now what does that mean? In Hebrews Chapter 11 verse 40, the Bible says that they without us should not be made perfect. In other words, without somebody whom you have to copy, you will never do well. And that forces you to relate with or learn from somebody without whom you. You can never be made perfect or good. That thing humbles you. You are forced to accept that somebody has done something you don't know how to do and you are not doing. Even amongst our own pastors within the Church Lighthouse, some pastors do better than others and it would be good to copy sometimes. Without that person, you may not be made perfect because the person is copying well and even teaches you how to copy well. And most the missionaries we have, we have had different missionaries to different places. Some have done well, some haven't done so well, and usually copying is an element and you are forced to humble yourself and learn from somebody who is not somebody you may even want to learn from. Wow, that is copying. Amen. Are you listening to me? So copying makes you humble? You've got to learn from a man, from a girl you don't like, from a boy you don't like, from somebody you laughed at. You see, people want the riches of America, but they don't want the discipline. They don't want to copy humbly what they have to copy in order to become like America. But they want the richest. So a poor, if you take, if you take white people, right, you see that black people want the richest that white people have, generally speaking, but do not want to copy the ways that white people do things. It's true if you bring order to where black people are in a way that they have it in the white ruled world, most black people rebel against it. I don't know about Zambia or Zimbabwe, but where I come from the rivers have 10. There is a river near a river coming near our church headquarters. There is not even a mosquito cannot live in the water. As soon as it touches the water, it will die because anything that is poisonous has been put into that water. Nothing, even gems, I don't think, can live there. It's true. Yeah. We have other rivers. They are the we have pictures of the river before and now the river is color brown. It's like clay color. Our rivers full of mercury from digging for gold and pouring mercury into the water to separate the gold from there. Whatever. I was in Trifu Prasu, which is a river. The river Prah Trifu Prasu means the three people on the river Prah Trifu Prasu. That's what it means. Three people on the Prahr River. The river is color brown. No fish. No fish there, Come here. But where white people are putting their money, you see hippopotamuses, zebras, giraffes, palace. But black people will kill them. Kill them, urinate in the water, put dead bodies in the water. Go and see the Congo River, number of people that have been put into that water. Yeah, fantastic. So we we we like the riches. And I notice that a lot of people look at the church and say, oh, it's great. But what it takes to have that church, the ways you have to copy, they don't want to do those things. And you can't have because the person came by those things through a method. Look at Mozambique 1975. They had their independence, OK? And when they got their independence from the Portuguese in 1975 and they came into power, they gave the white man 24 hours to live with 24 kilos, which is 1 case go out now. And the whole place was evacuated. And the story buildings, you see the city is just like this. One side is high and the other side is flat. This is where they built up to. And the white people from there is flat, nothing built. And then they started their war for 19 more years of fighting. So, ladies and gentlemen, and you find that African chiefs, they stay on the throne forever. White people will hunt after four years. So you also try and rule. After that, another 4, you also come and rule. But African chiefs, at least where in the village I come from, you'll be there forever. Is that how your village is, too? Yeah. And they don't do anything. And in fact, in Ghana, a leader is called, a big man is called, what do they call it? In pains like being a big shot, It's worth chopping Big manism. That is the, the, the local language meaning of leader, the big man who is chopping it and enjoying it. And in Africa, is that not a leader? He's a big man with a big car and a very big house, $45 million house with $1,000,000 cars roaming around, staying in power forever. Is it not true? Yeah. You see a white man, he's in charge of a big company. He doesn't even have a secretary. He does everything himself. True, my friend, is true. So you, you cannot, you cannot catch up with people who are far ahead if you don't copy what they do. It is easy to admire, but it's not that easy to copy the methods by which the person came to what he has. If somebody gives you money and you squander it all buying clothes, buy this, buy that, buy whatever, and later you are don't have money, Don't be angry. Somebody else who you see as a rich person today, when they gave him money, he didn't even buy a shirt. He will not even spend his money on a shirt. But I would rather use his money to go and build a house. And later you may say that that person is a thief and he's wicked, and he's this and he's that. Huh. Wow. So copying makes you humble. And you see the black man, If the black man was more humble in relation to the white man, you get it. Even in this era of independence we would be far richer if the black man was to be more humble because copying causes you to be humble and to get even certain people as advisers or even to sell the countries. If you dash the country even to some of these people before you realise the country will be so rich that you will build a high wall starting from the the Victoria Falls going round the whole country. Palestine, when see Israel and Palestine, all that place was, was, was nothing. But the Israelis, who are mostly Europeans, European Jews, they have built a very rich and prosperous nation. And it's so much that they've built a wall. If you stand by the wall, if this is the height of the wall, a man standing under the wall will be somewhere like this. It's made of concrete slab. You small, you are small by the war, very, very high. They put pieces to keep the other people. This is our country within the war. Fantastic. And the Palestinians still come for jobs every day. They come with passports, they check them for bombs, everything. They come to work there, but there's no work at the Palestinian side. There's nothing there. Yeah. This side is mostly European Jews who have made in another kind of Europe there. When you see Tel Aviv, the things that they are doing there, you will be amazed. Yeah. So brothers and sisters popping, it's humbling. You just have to say that, look, this one is naked in it. And you see, God actually wants us to be humble. And so sometimes you criticize somebody so much, now you have to follow the person. It's like, ah, so copying is God's way of making you humble #2 #3 If Pastor Landy was copying Bishop Clufio more, this camp would not have. You would have told me no Zimbabweans can come here, finish the camp, cross the bridge and go to Zimbabwe and do your camp there because there will be so many people here because the camp that I went. So how many of you have never seen me before? This is the first time. Raise your hand. Most of you have never seen me. When I went to South Africa, 90% of the people have never seen me before and they just came more, more, even though they they don't know me. But the, the, the, because of the leader there. So if the leader here was humble enough, after knowing how the camp is organized there will copy the way the person organized the camp there. But all that takes humility. This. What did you do? So what are you doing? So what did you do? This camp would have turned out differently. It's a it's a nice camp, but it could have been much different from what we are experiencing. Yeah, much, much more different. But the leader has to copy humbly, please. What are you doing? What do you do next? So can I do? So what should I do? So this, But why? You don't even call or you don't even communicate or you don't even know. You can never rise and catch up with somebody who is doing something. In fact, I would say something that, you know, between South Africans and Zambians, maybe I shouldn't make that. Maybe I shouldn't make that comparison. But to me, I would have said that our church should have been bigger in Zambia than in South Africa for, for for reasons which I don't want to to say. Yeah, our church in Zambia should have been bigger than the church in South Africa. Yes, based on what I perceive that, you see, you need humility in copying, he said. I'll make another of the same kind. Yeah. One day I went for a big program in South Africa and the I forgot to come go with Ida. I needed her on the program, but I forgot that I would need her when I got there. And I realized, wow, this program is going to need her to sync. And she was not able to come because she was not able to get the visa. But there was a girl in South Africa who had been copying her singing. Yeah. And that girl, South African girl, she, she performed excellently. All the biggest bishops in all of South Africa were sitting there. It was a very big program, a consecration of a Bishop, all the bishops, everybody was there. This girl who had been listening to Ida and copying her singing of sounds, that was her day. She stood there and we didn't know that Ida was not there because a copier had caught up and had learnt something. I'm telling you, and not knowing that secretly the person is always copying, listening, copying. So even in singing you catch up. In pastoring a branch, you catch up. In starting a test, you catch up. In leadership style, you catch up. In finances, you catch up. Copying is. But it takes humility because even to sing well, one of the main things about singing you may not know is the song that you sing, not even how good your voice is. Most famous singers are famous for one or two songs, but not for how good. We don't even know whether their voices are good. Yes. So one of the main things with singing is which song you sing and when you sing which song. So you may not know all this, it's new to you. But if you copy before you realize you've copied the right song. Yeah. Without knowing the principles of singer and the principles of fame. Yeah. Without knowing those principles, you, you are just there. Most things you can't understand how it works, so you have to learn to pop things. I say like preaching. Why is somebody successful? Why does these people listen to this preaching? Why is this? Why is this, Why is this? Why is that? Look, most people, you can't note the real reason why things are working. But this humble method causes you to just search for it #3 copying causes you to discover that there is nothing new under the sun. There's nothing new. The thing which has been Ecclesiastes chapter one, verse 9, yeah, is that which shall be, and that which has been done is that which shall be done. That's the fact. That's what is going to happen. What has happened is what will happen. So there is nothing new about this church. What happened in another church is what's going to happen in this church. Yeah, what happened with that pastor is what's going to happen with this pastor. There is nothing new happening. So you better find out what is happening and flow quickly into what is happening than to always be in surprise. Faith #4 Copying is good because you become something that is already successful and working. You don't become something that is not working. You don't want to be a Sofonazi car, you prefer to be a Toyota. It's already well known to be working. So when you copy, you'll become something that is working. So if my preaching works and makes people come back, if you copy my preaching, people will listen to you and come back to listen to you again. Because 25 years ago, I stood in a room and announced that I was a pastor in a classroom and started preaching a certain type of preaching with certain type of messages and a certain kind of flavor and a certain kind of anointing and a certain kind of topic. And people have been coming back to listen to what I'm saying. And I've been coming for some years now and I've been preaching to more and more people in more and more languages and more and more crowds. It's something that has been working for some years. So when you, if you decide to copy it, you will be copying something that as far as the preaching is concerned, it works and has been proven to work. Both the topics, both the way it is preached, both the flavor, both the style, both so many aspects of it. So sometimes you see people, they are unsuccessful but they are unwilling to take up and copy something that is successful. Take our Zambian, Zimbabwean economies, our Ghanaian economies, our Nigerian currencies, something that is unsuccessful largely and we will not want to copy something that is working. For instance, why are African countries poor? For the same reason every country is poor for the same reason. The reason is that every poor country does particular things and every poor country continues to do those same things. And every rich country does particular things. It's like saying, seeing somebody say, why are these people poor? If the person is a security guard or a cleaner, why are they poor? Because there's the work they do is security guard or cleaners or or or or or or or waiters. They are therefore they are poor. Why is this man rich? But he, he works in a as a lawyer. This one is a doctor, this one is a inventor, whatever. So the work the person does reveals whether the person will be rich or poor. Is it not true all poor countries do the same work? Farming do you say? They say we are agricultural nation all from Mongolia. I don't know about Zambia. You agricultural nation, sorry for asking. Ghana agricultural nation, all agricultural. We are all the same. Yeah, when you are selling tomatoes, somebody in California is selling iPhones and iPads, and tomorrow he will change the price. But you cannot change the price of your oranges. You will read in the newspaper that the price of oranges have gone down, but you cannot read in the newspaper that the price of the iPad has gone down. He will say that my iPad is now $450. You like you don't like, you stay there. So all poor countries are farming countries. All famines occur where people specialize in agriculture. All famines in the world, all poverty, all are the same. The same thing for the church. All churches that don't grow do the same thing, have the same kind of pasta, have the same type of person as a leader. All churches that don't grow, all my branches that don't grow, all my missionaries that don't have the same kind of missionary and the same kind of pasta who does some particular things. We don't make the church not work and make the leadership not work. They are all the same. They're all the same. Those are all countries which are not working. They're all the same. When there is a little more pineapple or a little more tomato or a little more orange, it's all the same. Oh, my churches are don't grow that are not working. That is all the same kind of person. When you go into it, you say a type of person who is the pastor, a type of pastor, a type who doesn't listen, who doesn't follow instructions, who doesn't obey, who is not doing certain things, who is the past copy doesn't really fully obey. They are all the same from my experience. Oh, and all the ones that work are all the same. The ones that have their churches grow, the church work. They're all the same type of person, same type of person. They do particular things. All of them are like that. All those that don't work think they know, but they don't know. All of them are like that. All of them are proud. All of them think they know. All of them don't know, but they think they know. All of them don't listen to message. They don't do a certain thing. They don't copy what all those persons and churches are. They are all the same type of lighthouse persons. Same. When you go into their lives like that, it comes to the same picture. I tell you, I've seen it again and again, again and again and again and again. I know I I didn't feel tired to start asking because when I go into it and I start asking, I'll get the same answers and I'll find out the same things. All, all, all African countries are the same Cambia. I've driven through Mali, Senegal here, whether you were French rule in case you Ethiopia never colonized. They all practice particular things and all have four people. Plenty. They are all the same. The same type of African leader, the same type of person who never go away, the same type of deception, wickedness, All are the same. When you go to Europe, you see the oil, you see Switzerland, the press. Panisa is riding a bicycle to go to work. You go to England, you go here, You go here. You not see that this one has a private chair, this one has this. This one, there's nothing like that. All of them are the same. All the glitters of rich town, they're all the same. So when you copy something that is working, you, you, you become like a total machine of success. Yeah, all of them are. They are all proud. They all think they know. When you even start pushing, they even think they know what you are saying. They they don't know anything. If you knew what I know, if you knew what I am saying, you would have even shows of food. They all think they know, but they don't know. Not not here. Everywhere is the same. What is here is the same. They are all the same. I'm telling you, you can trust me. I've been. I've been doing this for 25 years. Oh yeah, all of you. You think you know, but you don't know. Yeah, you're all the same. Number six #5 Copying makes things easier for you. Easier. A very difficult thing. All you have to do is to make a copy, act against, rewrite, rewrite an agreement, and find legal words all the same and you won't believe it. This is the easier way for me. I became a preacher for pastors. I preached a lot, but even like as I'm preaching here, I could have come to your church in Lusaka and have a powerful miracle combat. I'm mostly preaching to leaders and pastors. I became a preacher of leaders and pastors by copying the person that I copy. That is what he, he, he did. So it's easier. Easier. I became an evangelist by copying. Number six, copying makes you enter new things faster. Faster. Yeah. Copying makes you enter new things faster. You enter faster. Look at how fast I became an evangelist. Did you enjoy the Healing Jesus videos today? Yeah, look at how fast I became an evangelist by copying somebody. I copy even when I preach and I say I learnt it by and we keep watching a particular invalu every time he preach, he says, and I say, hey, maybe there's something in the I used to wear. I used to wear suits to preach. Then I was watching evangelism where I saw that he always wears African. When I changed, I said bring, find something. I need to get what? No matter what it looks like when I'm preaching at crusade, I wear wear what he wears. I don't know why he wears it. I will just wear it. Me help. Yeah. Now I'm having some of the largest crusades in in in Africa, maybe even in the world. Wow, you I tell you all those who are succeeding, they are all the same. If I take you through the list of our pastors and I show you the ones that are doing well, they are all similar type of people, do similar things. So it will be good to copy somebody whose things are working. Wow, how many want to enter new things faster? One of the things about pastors whose things work, they all communicate properly. They communicate properly. And if they don't communicate even with me, they communicate with somebody that's important to communicate with. All those who don't do well, all of them, you can't get enough. They don't stay intact. All of them are the same. Even when they're going to become this lawyer, One of the signs you see that they they they're out of your radius, not that they when they don't communicate, they become this lawyer. But I'm saying that if it's even one of the things you need to do to start becoming this lawyer, all those who are they all stay intact. There's a basic communication that not the weather is, but they still learn how to communicate with. Oh yes, Oh yes, yes. Some of the people who were coming here couldn't get a a visa and I was coming just my normal communication. I had called somebody I hadn't had no intention of calling. I had no intention of asking to help, but I just called normally. Then a few minutes later I got a communication that there's this problem with these people giving their visa. So I had to call back. But I've already called just normal. Oh, I'm just saying bye bye. I say, I'm travelling this is this and that and that. Few minutes later I heard all this and I said, let me call this person and tell him to help to, to, to say about this visa call back. And it's not strange for me to call because I said 5-5 minutes ago, I've called to say that, oh, I'm travelling this and that. So they said talk about other things, not just I'm travelling, whatever that is, that man African, I've come, I'm going. This type of African communication, I've come, I want to come to see you that I've come. You see African heads of sense sitting in their office receiving people saying we have camp, we are going, we have camp, we are going, oh, you don't have it here too. You also don't have work to do. All poor countries are. You will never see even Obama and others. You say that the business delegation has come from Ghana or Zambia. So Obama, Obama has gone to the airport to meet. All poor presidents go to airport to meet people and all rich presidents don't go to airport to meet people. They're all the same. Whatever poor, rich, all poor presidents are always receiving delegations of people in their office, coming to announce this one is dead, coming to announce we have come to our country. Singers, pop stars, soccer players, This is all that they do. All are the same politics, whatever you have it in these areas. I thought it was only from our area, from our village. So you see, all are the same. Wow. You just call me, call me or call Bishop Ogo, tell him that oh, I'm in Rwanda or I'm in Burundi. And the church here has been here for so many years. It has six members. It has been here for six years with six members. Then you can ask Doctor Go to tell you the characteristics of the pastor without knowing even his name. So #1 he doesn't stay in touch with anybody #2 he doesn't do this number three. He's like this number four, he's like this number 5. We can give you the characteristics straight. They are all the same. Whether he's in Rwanda, whether he's in Burundi, whether he's in Zambia, whether he's in Zimbabwe, whether he's in Nigeria, whether he's in America, they are all the same pastors whose churches don't work, they doesn't grow, they are setting with. They are all the same. All poor countries practice the same practices. Like I'm saying, head of state, I don't know if I don't even know who the president of Zambia is. I don't even know who he is, but I am. I don't know which African country you see they will show on the news today the president received a delegation from America of from Chicago city of you have it here in your country News item. They have Ketsi corps on the president, soccer players playing a Ketsi corps, film stars, singers that they are going to the World Cup Vista. Every time there is something like that, I think there's nothing to say. You have it in your countries, Zimbabwe, do you have it? You will not see Tony Blair or Cameron Dodo, what is his name? Right Cameron sitting in his room that a delegation has come from whatever footballers this, that, playing a courtesy call. Time for courtesy call. Do you know what they are planning? You are joking are. You learning something, it's not great. Yeah, and and clearly you can define the part of your life by choosing the type of person you want to follow or copy. You can change lens. I mean, once this pattern is clear to all of us, there should be no problem that all those who are like this, if you want to be a bad wife, all bad wives have the way they behave. All. If you want to be a Good Wife, there's a way good wives behave. Every church has got very good shepherds. I mean, it is, it is so powerful that you can actually become what you want to become. You can choose that. I'm going along this line as a shepherd. I'm choosing to join the good shepherds in Lighthouse. This is how they behave. I'm walking this way. And as you go, everything they do once you can copy it, you are ending up at the same destination. Wow, wow. If I, if I'm a country, if I become a country, let's say I suddenly change. I'm now a country. That's OK. I want to be a poor country. OK. I want to farm cocoa, coffee, timber, tea, gold. I want to be poor. Also gold, fishing maze, rubber. No, no, I want to be poor. These are. This is gold, Groundnuts, copper. Yeah. I want to be poor. Now suppose I become a country. Now I'm a neutral country. I want to be a rich country, OK. I want to make cars. I want to make iPads, phones, aeroplanes, cars, wheelbarrows, steel engines, television, air conditioners. I mean, what do we make? I don't know. What about your village? But even this carpet cannot be made. Carpet cannot be made here. Everything, this metal come, all these things we are using, they are from somewhere. This is from somewhere. This steel is from somewhere. This even the plastic, the plastic that is used is from somewhere. This one is from where? How do you put it on Yamaha Japan? This one is from where? Gallons. Is it a Zambian made air conditioner? Is there a Zimbabwean air conditioner? Oh, you have made the conditioner here? What do you make? Your corn? Coffee, Tea, tea, mesh, Copper. Copper. Oh, what about drums? You make drums. Thumda, thumda. It sounds Zambian thumda's drums. Is it Zambian drums? You don't make drums. What about chess? You make chess. What is your top? Mace, Mace. Coffee. So when you become everybody, close your eyes and become a country, Zeus. OK, you are now in neutral country. Now let's choose. You are going to become a poor country. What are you going to do quickly? Rubber, Mace, goats, plantain beans, tomatoes, oranges, fishing. Wow, you are going to become a rich country. What are you going to do now? Clothes, clothes, shoes, wigs, wigs. Now Brazilian hair. We are importing Brazilian hair. Even hair people who don't know how to do fashion, we are importing hair from them now. OK, close your eyes. You are now a pastor. You are going to become a bad pastor. Now what are you going to do? What are you going to do? No communication, no Makana, no rigging, no prayer, no podcast, no stocking of tapes, no phone calls, no visitation, no prayer, no drive. No drive, No Anarkaso, No fellowship, No what? No gypsy fishing. They're going to be a good pastor. Now, zoo. What are you going to do? Communication. Drive. Dr. Anarkozo. Copy. So you don't even need to know the name of the bad pastor. You can tell the person, like a magician, that these are the things that he's doing. Yeah, you can. You can just say, oh, I don't know. I don't need to know his name. I don't need to know. But these are the things that he does. These are the things that he is not doing. I know his name. I don't need to know his name. And then you can take, take, take, take all, correct. Like magic. All poor countries do the same thing. All bad pastors do the same thing. All pastors whose churches don't go do the same thing All. All are all are bad leaders. Many of the pastors, you go into their, you go into their relationships, you see bad leadership practices. Yes, bad leadership practices. All of them who don't do well, they are all bad leaders. People under them are oppressed. It's amazing. Hey. #7 Copying helps you to overcome problems. Why? Because the person you are copying has overcome certain problems and you are also following his. Because he's overcome poverty. He's overcome poverty. That's why he, he, he, he, he. He doesn't sell. Become a specialist of gravats and oranges and tomatoes. How can he compete with somebody who is selling plastic chairs, iPhones, iPads, mobile phones, air conditioners, televisions, microwaves, washing machines, microphones and other carpets? Or is it just steel? You make the steel. Or is it refining oil? Huh. Oh, pump wheel barrels, wheel barrels, make shoes. Oh, or is it tomato puree? Make tomato paste. Pineapple juice. Every juice that we drink is from somewhere. Toothpick, toothpicks from China. Razor blade from China. Matches Ghana. We don't make matches, we don't make toothpicks. We don't make wheelbarrows. We don't make Combs, we don't make shoes, we don't make socks, we don't make shirts, we don't make anything only for African shirts. We so, but even that one, the Holland people are making the material more for us #8 Copying is the natural way to increase #9 Copying is the key to great teaching and preaching, Amen. Copying is the way to great teaching and preaching, Hallelujah, Amen. Copying is the way to great preaching and teaching Amen. Wow. So, my friends, copying is to become another of the same kind, alos, that's the Greek word alos, another of the same kind. Yeah. And when you are copying, you must copy completely. Today I was sitting at the hotel by the there was a river, Zambezi River. Now if you see me sitting by the river and you say the Bishop is sitting by the river, I'm also going to sit by the river, the river that I'm sitting by. What you may not know is that there was electric wires at the lower part of the river to keep away crocodiles and hippopotamosis. So when you are copying something, copy well. Otherwise, before you realize, a crocodile will come out, pick you, and then back to the water. And they don't. They don't chew their food, you are swallowed whole. Or they shake you and you divide into two. You divide in the waste into two, they shake the whole life with the mouth and you divide into two, and then they swallow and then it goes in. Yeah. You divide an antelope into two. You shake it like this, shake it until it divides into two, and they and then they swallow from the head and the hoops and everything. So you say you are copying me before I realize a crocodile has come for you. Copy. Well, copy the invisible things, copy the hidden things. Copy the different aspects which are not easy to see. If the person is humble, check humility before you realize the person may be humble. Check the holiness before you realize the person may be holy. Check the love the person has for God. The person may have great love for God. Check the closeness to God that the person has. The person may be close to God to check the presence of God in the person, that the person may be God's presence. But you see, those are not things to copy. I'm copying the person's hairstyle. I'm copying the person's clothes, I'm copying the person's rings. I'm 'cause the person's perfume. I'm copying the person's shoes. That just may be external. But there may be a lot of hidden things which if you don't also copy you will say that we are all, I saw you sit on my area, we are all sitting by rivers, Riverside, Riverside. But not knowing that there is an electrical wire there in his river that he has placed there. So as you have also decided to do some of those things which may be dangerous, you'll be before you realize a crocodile has come for you and he's shaking you like this shaking. Then you divide into two. Half of you go ahead. Then you lift up the bam before you realize that you are inside for dinner. You are inside. The crocodile has stomach and some of the crocodile is from here to here, from here to here, very wide, very strong. So as you are coping, you are relaxing, say oh this is what we do. Is that all that they do or there are other things that they do? That's why Africans have planes and they crash. You have a plane like Kenya Airways within the last whatever years having two major crashes, one from Abidjan and one from Cameroon, take off and go down, take off and go down. And you have a plane like South Africa, which has never taken off and calmed down before, operated and run in a different way. Yeah. Or British Airways, which has never calmed down before. Although you shouldn't say too much God, you have to pray about it for the grace of God. Oh, yeah. So when a plane, when a plane is said to be safe, it has one crash in 4 million flights. Yeah. But and you say that you see that a plane then they give a percentage one in 4 million flights, whereas you may see that a small African airline with only one plane which will do 4 million flights in 20 years. Do you understand it will crash five times in the 20 years and maybe British Airways or some other airline may have 20 million flights without a crash and they will have only great deal as dangerous. If you have one in 4 million and you check some of our African planes, you see the thing, they'll say Africa jets, Blue Airways and you see that. What are some of the unseen things that they do that make the planes go? And before you can fly your plane into America, they suddenly they call sea check it, it costs so many $1,000,000. They take the plane in attack and reassemble it. Every plane is supposed by the Africans, but because of the cost, they don't go and do that thing, the sea check. Yeah. One the Ghana Airways flew to Italy, they said, well, they said, Sir, this is a flying coffin. When it came for relovation, this is a flying coffin. Yeah, I tell you, I don't know if you have Zambian Airways or Zimbabwean Airways. One the Ghana Airways was flying over the Atlantic Ocean to America. Suddenly all the oxygen things came out. Hey, would you be happy with such a play? All of them came out and was judging the everybody was in the face. Hey, why? Yeah. So as you are copying, there are hidden aspects. They wouldn't allow certain things to fly this plane. Let us have that seat check. And the plane that is going hasn't got only one engine. When you are going on a plane, make sure it has 2 engines. Yeah, that is why planes rarely crash, because they have two engines. There you go, single engine. So that when it goes off in the air, what will you do again? Only gliding, you can only glide. Almost everything they have, they have two or three of the same thing. So when we are copied, so we are also having an airline, we are also having our national airline, our national pride, OK, copy back, copy well and copy the hidden things that are not obvious. Also, yes, do the sea check and do all those other things so that you don't just say we are having a plane, but all countries have national pride. Now, if you are having a currency, do the things that make a currency. You cannot have $50 billion to buy three eggs. Please stand to your feet. Everybody tell somebody I'm ready to copy church growth. Lift your hands to the Lord and thank God for blessing us at this time. Thank you for your word, thank you for your Holy Spirit. Oh God, thank you for teaching us about copying, doing what is right. Give us the grace, all those that are successful doing the same thing, all those that are wetting are doing the same thing, copying the same thing. Thank you Father, for your grace, for your love, for your power. Thank you, Heavenly Father, in the mighty name of Jesus. The. Pray, pray, pray for a moment, everybody pray. Pray. Just pray. Pray, pray, pray, pray. You've heard very awesome things. The wisdom of God has come to you. Somebody can live for 100 years and not hear what you have heard tonight. Jesus said the prophet of all desire to hear what you are hearing now. It was their desire to see what you are seeing now. It's wonderful. Somebody has made many mistakes because he did not hear this. Pray, lift your hands, everybody, for the militant prayers alone. Let my change be obvious. Show me the path of greatness, the humility to copy. Take away pride from my life, take away stubbornness, take away arrogance, and give me the heart of lace. Thank you Lord, in Jesus name, Amen. Is it possible to clap your hands? Clap for Jesus. Amen. And, and, and I want us to clap our hands to celebrate our Father God has given us. Yeah, just let's celebrate. Thank God. Amen. Wow. It's it's really up to you now. Yeah. Nobody has any excuse. You cannot say that you didn't know. Before you leave to Lumumbashi or Kigali or wherever the long way, make sure you have the CDs and the DVDs. Yeah, and listen to it. The things we've had in this particular camp are awesome. This camp has revealed the wisdom of God, the greatness of God's wisdom, and I pray that it will seep into your heart and make you what God intends for you to be. Amen. We are closing, but I want us, everyone, to take out an offering. You know, we've not taken an offering. So please be seated. Look into your bag and your pocket. Everybody give something. Give something. You know, you know those churches where they are, there are bulls in front of the pulpit as the pastor is preaching. They come to put an offering inside into the bowl and so on. It's not frivolous. They are. They are sowing into what is happening. Yeah, because seeds need seasons to do well. You can't plant a seed at any time of the year. There's a season. So when God has created an atmosphere, you just woke up and they come and plant a seed. At the time the pastor is saying something, they sow into it. I don't think it's frivolous. And I want us to sow into this evening's session we've had for your life, for your ministry, for your future, for the call. It's awesome. I've not heard these things before. It's it's very wild. Take out an offering, a serious offering and let us sow into this. It's up to you now to throw some coins into the offering bag or to give a substantial offering. Lift your offering up, lift it up and let's pray and say, Lord, I'm sowing into this great camp, this moment of change, this turning point. Let it indeed bring a change into my life in Jesus name, Amen. Ashes, receive the offering. Now as we take the offering, please, as we give the offering, listen very carefully to this very important announcement that will close. Listen, tomorrow we are going to have our last session so Bishop wants us from here. Just go straight to bed, don't hang around and chat. We are all gathering here tomorrow morning for the final session at 5:00 AM Five, which means you are waking up at 4:00 depending on how long it takes to bath because some of the areas you must scrub are a lot. So it will be 4 or 430. But five we are here. We the, the the final session tomorrow is at 5, not 515. So as soon as we finish taking this offering we are out. Are the buses ready? Are they there or they are now calling for them to come? They are here. Enter the bus quietly and go.