10. Questions and Answers 1

Welcome to track #10 of the Road to Calvary. Hallelujah. Are you glad to be here now? Is there anybody who has any question that you would like to ask? Yeah. From your teachings on fatherhood. You said you gave us so many examples, and what I got was that before Kenneth Hagin died, you saw him as your you regarded him as your father. My question is this the man who sows into our lives as fast as the one who brought us up till we became ministers? After we assuming you have a church and then another man begins to oversee your work. Who? Which of these two do you take as your father? Does the fathership change automatically the moment another person begins to oversee your work as a pastor? This is the point that I was trying to was trying to make. Do you want to put this back a bit? The point that I was trying to make is that fatherhood. That's why the Bible says you have not many fathers. So you will find out that God will use somebody to father you up to a point, Then he will use another person to father you up to another point. And sometimes you have someone who is like a prominent father in your life, but you find that different people bring about certain aspects of things are birthed into your life through that person. So if I look at my ministry, I would say I have about about 5 or 6 fathers, but including a mother. But I, I would say that as a main person who has been a father to me is Papahagian. But now I, when I eat, I eat from Rejoiner's table. Do you understand? But I would say that the love that I have for Papahagian, I don't think I have it for the others in that way. I mean, I'm just, I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying what I think, what I, what I, what I feel. But you, you, you can't, you, you will find that somebody brought you to Christ, somebody establish you in the Lord, you see. And then you have somebody else who did take you further. Have I answered your question? You know, is there any other question? Yes. I want to know your opinion on this issue. We have fathers when they are about to go or they are about to die, they put their biological sense in their place. Is it biblical or is it pattern they are trying to follow it? It beats my mind a little bit. That is, they put their biological sense. In their place. In the ministry. Yes, to head the ministry, whilst they have other people they've trained, I don't know whether the the question is clear. They have associates there, but they put their biological sons who may be even younger than those people they've worked for years. I want you to. I want to know your personal opinion on that. Some, some people feel that their sons are, some people do it like a family business and it's like a family owned ministry. I mean, no matter what the son and the child is like the main person. Some people believe in that, some do not. I what do I believe? I, I think that if you take my ministry, I think that my ministry will be too big for any of my children to handle. I mean, I think that our churches will at a point we will not be able to maybe govern it the way we are governing it now. But the point I may say bye bye to everybody. You are all on your own. Do whatever you want to do and just flow and be happy. I don't know. But I, I wonder whether I wonder whether it can be together. No, I'm just about to send somebody to Guyana, to Barbados, to South America, to I mean, Africa, different countries here, here, here. I don't know whether it can all be in one controlled, whatever. I don't know. One day I, I wonder whether somebody, and it's something that to control all this, it takes something, I wonder whether somebody can do it. Do you see? So I think that I would like my child to be in the ministry and I would like them to say, well, but because now some time ago I used to, I would think that, oh, my child will be great if he's the head of it. But now I know that my child will be great in God. And if that's what God wants him to do, even if he's just you see when you look outside, you see big trees, small trees, but everybody has his high teeth supposed to grow too. Some were supposed to grow very high. Some were supposed to grow here, some were supposed to grow here, some were supposed to grow here. The grass that was supposed to stay on the ground all have grown to their maximum and all get 100%. So I will pray for my sons and daughters to do well in God and be in the ministry full time. But as to head, our church is very dynamic in the sense that he's growing and changing all the time. So it's difficult to see. Yeah. But I think that if you have one church and your son has grown up and he's matured and he's also a pastor, do you understand? And he can take over the church. It's the best. I mean, what else would you pray for, do you see? But if he's not spiritual, do you see? He's not spiritual at all. And he's not, I mean, somebody who can take over the church and you force him to be the head of the church just so that it remains like a family business, then you are likely to kill the ministry by putting him there. Do you see? Yeah. You should allow the children to do what they they are called to do. What do you think? Yes, praise the Lord as as we have been looking at fatherhood that we notice that father may have many children. And now you were talking about the the the sons will be replica of the father. And if a son come and and say to the father you are doing a fee and I want to do a different fee. How do you look at that in being replica with the father, you are doing a what? He is doing different fee and he the father is doing different work. I mean different working work, different work. OK, Yeah. Does it mean that that son is not replica of the father? Yeah. When when we talk about somebody being not a replica, but a product, a son. Now, if you look at children, all of them are different. You may have brothers who say 1 is tall, one is short, 1 is this, one is this, I mean, different whatever. And they are all whatever. But if you look carefully at them, you'll find that sometimes the children don't even look like their father at all. But as you are with them, you realize that this is the son of this person. You know that even the way people laugh, the way people talk, the way people pronounce words, they are all signs of the house that you come from. So it's all quite interesting. So it's not that, like the pest is a photo. In fact, it is not common to find a son who is a photocopy of his father, isn't it? Yeah, it's not easy to get a son who is a photocopy of his father, but you can see that the DNA is the same. It's certain things. You get it? Yes. Michelle, my question is on forgiveness. We have some people who are really unrepentant. You know, I've, I've realised that God Forgives when you repent and confess your sins. In this case, the person is persisting in what he's doing. You know, how do you relate to such a person? All repentant, I mean, offender. It just. Mean you, you know, but the soldiers did not repent. The soldiers, the Pharisees and the people who were beating Jesus, they were not repent. Are you talking about an associate pastor or what? It's difficult to to say. I mean an unrepentant wife, unrepentant associate, unrepentant brother who is somewhere. A repentant associate, for instance, I know your assistant in church who is doing something and you call his attention to it. The more he does it, you know he goes on. Suck him, suck him, forgive him and suck him. Yeah. Do you have a question here? Yeah. I want to know how. Workable. It is when people like about four or five people come together to start a church. How workable is it? How it's not advisable? All right, if four or five people come together to church, all the four or five of you should agree on who is the head and then agree that the person who you have made the head can sack any of you. Then he is the real head and then you continue and and this is the case where one was made ahead and the rest are not happy with how he governed the church. So he was sacked and we decided to appoint another one. How so? They will keep on being sacking and coming and doing another because it doesn't really have authority. And if you are part of this group, how do you join another group? Start something on your own. Thank you. Bishop, my question or comment is on fatherhood. How would you address the dangers of a dependency syndrome when somebody is faded in ministry or otherwise? Dangers of dependency syndrome. What is dependency? Dependency syndrome is when you become so dependent on the on your father or the person who is nurturing you so that when the person is no more than you become dysfunctional, you don't function. You know, the, the the way you would you were functioning when your your mentor or your father was around. So that that linkage has been there. That bone has been there. And when the bone is broken, say in death, like perhaps what may be happening for you unawares with Kenneth Hagin or whoever you were mentioning that. How do you address that danger? And then how does it relate to the Scripture that it is better to take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man? Thank you. Well, dependency syndrome. I think every good father would like his children to grow up and find their feet. You get it. I remember the first time that my children were going to take a taxi on their own. I wasn't happy, but I had to let them go because I look and say, ah, you are informed. You will be informed 2 of of getting to form 3 now like from 2 from three, you should be able to take a car. For me, even people are 7 years old, they go and they take taxis and buses and things and they walk home. So I had to release them and then they went. So I think every father will be happy to and would want to release the children at a point to do well, are you there? So that is the way you should do it. So I, I know that a lot of, I mean, people that I have even brought up in the ministry, they have to actually start it. That's why I like people to start churches and be preaching because then they grow faster. You, you will learn more. You will understand what we are preaching about by doing the work of God. That is 1. And then when you say you can't depend on man, it's true. You shouldn't depend on man, you understand, but God uses men. So almost all the commandments of God, the opposite is also true. I tell you, almost all the commandments of God, the opposite is true. I mean, you'll be surprised that this thing that he says is wrong. The opposite is also true. Like when Jesus said when you are going don't take a pest, don't take script, don't take coat, then the next time he said when you took a pest, did you lack when you went without a pest, did you lack no, now take 22, take two coats, 2 pests, everything. Both are come from Jesus and both are true, but depends on the timing you see. So there is a time at which you're trusting in even somebody call a father is actually trusting in man. But then there's a time that trusting in somebody call a father is actually humility. And 1 is very good and 1 is very wrong. Depends on the sometimes the timing and the circumstances. You find out that this thing that I'm doing, I'm actually trusting in man. And then this thing that I'm doing, I'm actually being humble. Depends on the timing and so on in your life as you are doing those things. Are you there? Praise the Lord, yeah. Yeah, Bishop, Yeah. Can one live with our Father? And the second question. Is what? Can 1 live with our father without a father? Can one live without a father? Can 1 live without a father? OK. And the second question, how does one identify his father? Can 1 live without a father? You can live without a father, but your life will be different from somebody who has a father. You can you, you can be in the ministry without a father, but you'll be a little different from somebody who has a father. And then how can one identify a father? God sends, you see that parable where the Bible says there was a man who made a vineyard and then he traveled and he sends A7. They beat him, then he sent another one, then he beat him, then he sent another one, then he beat him, then he sent his son and then they killed him. I I believe that if you look in your life, you will see that God sends certain people into your life. Sometimes you are attracted to the person, sometimes you become interested in the person. Sometimes you sense that when you eat from this person, you understand it. It enters you, it changes you, it helps your ministry and that is one of the ways that you sense that God is sending that person to you to behave like a father to you. And you should receive that person like that. You see that's that that that is how you do it. Especially these things you see feelings and attraction, Bible says. And the Spirit of God was something and the Spirit of God began to stir him up at times. So some of the things we feel, it's the Spirit of God which is staring us up. And that's why Paul wrote to Tim with his, if anyone has a desire, you understand, for, for whatever, then it is that. So sometimes you can identify a father in that way, especially if you are afar. But sometimes your father is obviously standing there only that you don't want to see it. He's right there. I mean, that's the person who is their father that the Lord is giving to you. So what is your big problem? This is. So there are two things there, all right, Yes. Praise the Lord. So my question is in respect to the aspect of the teaching of forgiveness. And there are some fellows that have done you much evil, and somehow they've done you much evil. But following the biblical stance on forgiveness, you now decide to forgive them. After forgiving them, the tendencies are that they may want to come closer to you again. With you being human, you'll be scared. You'll be afraid. They say once between twice shy, you'll be afraid. If this one come into my life, he might repeat the same thing again. We've seen it happen several places. So my question is how how do you relate to such people? Because you don't want to keep grudges against them. You've forgiven them and you don't hate them, but you're afraid of making them friends. Thank you, Sir. Well, in terms of making somebody a friend, it is possible to be friends with a person that is different from working with a person. I mean, it may be a bit difficult to send this same person. To let's say now you are going to be in charge of the church at Inco d'ivoire and then you'll be there. Then before you realize it turns into another thing again. So the person may be better off going on his own and all that, but it's like you can relate as friends from afar, as it were, but the person is coming right back to work again. There's also wisdom. Bible says let your love abound in all knowledge and spiritual understanding. God's virtues never run alone, there are always 3786 of them together. So love it never moves on its own. Faith works by love. Love goes with knowledge and understanding. Love goes with virtue. So many things. So it's not just pure love, love with knowledge and understanding. You have to understand that the person is Absalom does it? Yes. Do you understand what I'm saying? So love, let your love increase in knowledge and spiritual understanding, not just love, Yeah. Bishop mind it's on fatherhood. Now we know or we talk about fatherhood and then we also talk about mentoring. Is there any demarcate online between fatherhood and mentoring, especially in the context of speaking into the life or the one that you are you are mentoring or the one that you picking on as a son? That's first question. The second one is in your deliberations or in your speech. You made mention of the fact that PP Higgin is your father or you guarded him as a father. And I'm sure you have. I know I'm from Kumasi, but I know there are lots of pastors over here who are pastoring on the you. Somewhere along the line also you made a made reference to the fact that there was this professor who regarded you as a father and then there was another lady who called you a Papa and he said you are not, you are not yet my daughter or something of that sort. Looking at the whole thing, you know, and looking at the fact that a lot of senior pastors, they expect the junior pastors to kind of be their son. So that if they see that you don't start to use the word koto, but when they see that a bit, you are a bit different. Sometimes it, it is, it is explained or it is it is sane or it is interpreted. Yes, interpreted. That's the right word. Interpreted as if you are not a son or you are not a daughter. Maybe a recalcitrant in a way. I don't know how you're going to answer those questions for me. So what is the question? The first question is that the marketing line between mentoring and then fatherhood, especially speaking into the life of. In terms of that question, mentoring, I personally don't use that word. Mentoring. I think it's a secular term. I may be wrong, but I don't know much about mentoring and I don't know what that is, but I think it's a secular term. I know Father and son. I have not seen any mentor in the Bible. I think it's a secular word, but I think it's about the same thing. Instructor. A mentor is an instructor, somebody you looking. So I, I know more of a father and a son. I don't know what people really call a mentor. And so I don't know who I I don't know who's a mentor, but I know fathers and I know it's in the Bible. Do you understand my question? And a mentor will do what? Uh huh. Yes. Speak into the life of the daughter or the son. Yes. Like if you tell somebody who does that who doesn't really have a close relationship with like your father. Yes. How can he speak into your life? Oh, OK, OK, OK, that's OK. How? How does a person who is a pharaoh be a father to you? Through books and tapes. Do you see? Because when you read the person's books, you see if you really want to, if you want to have time with me, let's say for us to sit down and talk. Even when I answer all your questions, you wouldn't understand what I have said fully. But if you take a book that I have written on fatherhood and you read it and you read it and then you put it down and then you read it again, you begin to understand fully what I'm talking about. So a book is the most patient counselor and teacher, a book that you can ever have. And a tape is also a very patient counselor. In fact, I have a pastor friend in one country. He said to me, he doesn't do counseling. If you come and you need counseling, he will ask you to sit in church for six weeks. After six weeks, if your question has not been answered through his messages, whatever the subject, then you can come and then he'll give you to councillors to cancel. If the councillors are not, then before it gets to another, before he will ever be involved in counselling you. So you find out that what the point is that through preaching, through books, through tapes. And that is Harbhajan's father, because he doesn't know me, I've never talked to him before, even for 5 minutes. And I don't need to, I don't need to meet him. What I need from him, I will get it from his books and tapes. I don't need to meet God. I meet him. I even spend one hour. Look, I, I met with TL Osborne. I mean, God have blessed me to meet with Zedid. I sat with TL Osborne for more than an hour. We ate together, we were relaxed together. He was sitting by me, we were talking, talking. Then after that we came into the house, We sat there, everybody asking any question that you want to ask? 81 years. Oh, the ministry, But what can you get from that? Not so much something, but not much. Do I really want to benefit from TL Azbar ministry? I have to go for finding his books and maybe his tapes. And he would patiently talk to me, especially if somebody has taken his time to write the thing and he's tried very hard to put it down in a way that you can understand. So although it's a nice thing, but it's not a common possibility to really sit down with whoever the man of God is and have a long term. It's not it's not easy to get it. So you must learn to be a reader of books, a listener to tapes. And then also when you read the books, tell yourself there is a blessing in the book for me. Hold the book with your Bible and tell you that's what I do. I hold you can ask my wife, is it not true? See. Behold the book as if it's the Bible. I hold the book as I'm looking for something and I'm holding them working in the house. I know there is something in this book that will help me. Oh, yeah, I hold the book. I know there is something. Just one sentence, just one line. Pastor Kakra, I shared with you a recent revelation that I had from the book. Isn't it current state delusions? Yeah, it's one of the highest revelations that I've ever had. But I just heard it from the Rejoinder's book. I've, I've been reading the book since 1998 and I have it. Hey, even today, I was this morning before I came out reading it and I saw something he said that the, he said that the, the, the Indian, the law told rejoined that you have learned certain battles, you have learned how to use weapons of truth and all that. But the greatest weapon is love. And I realized I don't understand it. Well, how is love a paper? But I think there's a revelation there, so I'm thinking about it. Do you understand? I feel I will get something. So hold the book in the house. There is something. Grace and peace be multiplied through the knowledge according as His divine power has given, and trust all things that pertain unto life and godliness through the knowledge. Power has come through knowledge. I mean, I don't joke with I have it. I know there is something somewhere. I'll get something soon. And I tell you, you think you've read Megachet. You hold it like that. Hold it like that. You'll be very surprised. I'm stuck. And that's what I found with Yong Gichou. I thought I knew what he he was teaching. You saw that. You feel, you know everything that the person did. The last time I went to Korea, he didn't say anything. But what I saw, that was one of the greatest secrets I had for church growth, which I saw he never said it and he didn't write it in his book. So sometimes you just get something. So that is my sister. That's how somebody can speak into your life. And let me tell you, let's not make, let's not pretend. You see, even if you call yourself a prophet, a prophet doesn't know everything. Prophets don't know everything. And when Elijah saw the guy running, he said the Lord has hid it from me. Maybe you can be a prophet or hide it from you. If Elijah felt that Elijah would know everything, he would never have gone after Naman the Syrian and asked him to give him clothes. And he knew that Elijah didn't know a lot of things. So when he came back, he said, well, he's all I've been around because he's used to be with a guy. He knows that there are many things he doesn't know, but I'm happy that this one he knew. He said when not my heart with thee, that his spirit moved out of his body and went to where he was negotiating. When Tom, is it a time to receive clothing and this and this and that? The sickness of women will clip. You see Elijah and Gehazi, you know Elijah, you didn't have a father's heart. You see, not all the pastors have a father's heart. Are you there? Moses had a father's heart, always pleading for the people. They have something God says I'm going to kill. No, no, no, I beg you don't do this. And you plead to the people, negotiating with them, teaching. I mean, they almost wanted to kill him so many times and he was still trying to move with them. So the last but wait even cost him his own ministry. Elijah he managed. He had a servant who abandoned him in the heat of his ministry. He took another servant, followed with a guy, told the guy, I wonder you can have it. You can have if you see you can have it, you can have it, brother. But Elijah, when Gehazi made a mistake, he kissed him. I kissed you never make it. How can he be a good pastor with leprosy? You see, it's the end of your ministry. Moses was a father, but Joshua was not a father. Joshua, I reached a point he said, listen, me and my house, when we are going to step on you people, you can do whatever I want to do. When we are step in the home, it's up to you. And you never hear Moses say ask for me, I'm going to follow the God. I'm saying you people can go to hell. No, but Joshua, you do whatever you want to do. Me and my house, we are going to serve the Lord. It's up to you. See you. And after him there was nobody. After him was confusion. I tell you, after him was confusion. After Elijah was Elijah. After Moses was Joshua. After Elijah was nothing, finish father. You see you are left with what your father leaves you start from where your father picks you up from. So there are some people they are not, they don't have fatherly attitudes. So not all men of God are fathers. So sometimes you are dealing with a man who realize it's not really a father. Sometimes the fathers are even afraid of the sons throwing javelins, killing them, trying to spear them. But you have to dodge these type of fathers very carefully. Otherwise before you take care they've kissed you and you realize that you are now. If Elijah is your father, never make a mistake or if possible resign early before they kiss you. No, I'm serious, there's some places if you don't resign on time, you will be kissed before you step out and don't go away with a kiss. That's how you go quickly before they kiss you by mistake. One thing, don't lift a finger in something. The words have been spoken. You would never make it in this ministry, in life. You would turn into the chaff of the wind. And some of these words, you can't take them back. That is why Jacob and Esau Esau came to beg to return your words. I've already said it. Mercy. Any other question? One more question. Hey, now your questions are becoming a lot. Hello, yes, OK. My my question is that for church planting we hear many people said you have to be called or a church has to lay her on you and then they send you 4 and then we also here said God has to call you. Be turning to Psalm 42, yes. And, and I want to ask whether you have to seek God to hear clearly from Him by speaking to you, or you can follow your hard desire and then you start. OK, whether you can follow your hard desire or whether you should hear God speaking to you, well, you should always hear God speaking to you. And if God speaks to you, he you will begin to usually desire certain things. That is why I, Paul said if anyone desire the office of a ministry, the the office of a Bishop, he desires a good thing. So the desire of your heart are sometimes put there by God. That's why you are interested in a spiritual thing. It's from God. Amen. Not everybody's interested in spiritual thing. My sister, I didn't answer your second question. What was the second question? To be their sons or daughters, it seems that it is within your or it is your prerogative to choose who your father should be. Yeah, that is a good question. Is it that all the pastors of the junior pastors of a senior pastor should be their sons and their daughters? I think the answer is that not all the pastors in a church are the sons or the daughters of the senior pastor. Not all. Yeah, all, not all we will like to be. Some people are in a chair, but their father or the person they see as their father is somewhere else. So in my case, in my ministry, I will try to help you to go to the church where your father is. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. So that you do well there or you don't get what I'm trying to say. Because if I have you and you are not my son, the Bible says that a servant stays in the house forever, but a son does not abide forever. A son, it stays in the house forever, but a servant does not stay with you forever. Since I got married, I've had several people who have stayed in my house with me, but it's the son who stays forever. My children are still there, but several have come and gone. Then seven comes and he goes. Bible says they were not of us, that is why they left us. And if they were of her, doubtless they would have continued with us. So their hearts are not from here. So when our eyes sense that your heart is not here, I would like you to be where you believe. One day I called a certain church member and I said to her that I'll counsel her about something. Then I prayed, Father, in the name of Jesus, I bind this problem, I release your power, I undo the chains of state, and I release her from captivity in the name of Jesus, Amen. And I upped my eyes and she was looking at me. I said my sister. I said, my sister, do you believe in the prayer that I have just prayed? And she looked at me said, no, I don't believe so. I said, I said, you know what, I think you have to go to another church. That was the last time I've never seen her again. After about 3 or 4 years. She sent me a card or a letter, I think a card. She said thank you for giving me good advice to go to that church. Amen. Because you cannot receive from me. I don't know everything and I have not called for everybody. I'm not the leader of everybody. I'm not the leader of everybody and I'm not the pastor of it. I'm the pastor of some people. You see this iron shrapnel Iron Corp, There are some people. That's why I have presented myself that I will teach from morning to evening, every day for the two days or three days that will have the come. If you believe in what I am, if you believe in my call and you feel that God was the come, that's different from NAC. NAC and wouldn't preach like that because it's an association of churches and democratic to everybody. There's not one person who is the head of it, but this one, I am here to just preach. It's just, it's not a group, it's just a meeting. And after today, that's the end of the meeting. Next year or whenever we have another one. If you want to come, come. If you feel your heart is open, you want to receive, you receive. Then we go finish. There's no attachment, no deuce, nothing just and I'm paying. We are paying for everything. We are paying for you to be here. We are going to give you books. It costs. We are going to give you tapes. We are going to give. I want to give you a new book that I've got a, I've got a, I've got a, a book, a new book, a new book that is coming out on church administration. I want to give everybody a copy, but I don't think it should be ready. It should be ready before they come. But maybe we can give it to you or maybe the next time we have a programme, we can give it free. I'm paying, it costs us 60 million, this million, no problem. It's I am ministry. If you are open to it, fine. And if not, fine. So those who feel they want you come and that's it. It's simple. Do you say easy? You get it. So I'm not a leader of everybody and nobody is the leader of everyone. And so when I say that somebody is not really his heart is not with me. You get it as a son, you get it because I, I find it easier to work with myself because when I'm talking with my son, they don't get angry with me. You know, even when I make a mistake, they are not annoyed with me. If I shout at them or I say maybe I'm hated or I say something, they will not be annoyed. They know that he's not normal or he's he's tired or something, that he's tired, that he's tired. That's all. Yeah. Like the person is like a Steven Emperor. You say that and you see this guy, you see he doesn't respect anybody. She's very proud. Waving his hands, he gets up. He says this and that. That if you look at how much he's paying us, this, this is it. I beg you. I beg you, I beg you. I'm sorry. Do you see? I'm really sorry. Forgive me. And that is why you should be at a place where you will not. Because when you are in a place where you really respect the person, there is little the person that needs to offend you. Are you understanding? Did I answer your question? Now you're blessed. Amen. Who else was asking a question? Yes, brother. My question is talking about father and son relationship. You know, there are some of the sons that may come from the church and some of the sons that may come out from the church. Yeah. Now how do you marry the two? Because maybe the sons in the church may not know the sons outside the church and sometimes. The sons in the church will not know the sons outside the church. They don't have to know themselves. What I'm saying, what I'm saying is that I've witnessed a situation that some of the sons in the church began to grumble because the sons outside has been giving, they have been giving some opportunities that they thought that they should work in that opportunity. So that's why I asked that question. Now, the second one is the sons. You know, I discovered that most of the problems we are having in the church today is because of some of the fathers has disappointed the sons and because of ignorant some of the sons has also taken on it. They are doing what they think is right. So what is this supposed to be done as fathers so that the sons can be able to do what is right? Thank you. So what is the first question? My first question is in terms of opportunities that will be given to maybe some of the sons outside the church, maybe somebody who is not a member of the church, but he sees you as a father and he relates to you as a father. And maybe an opportunity has come. I want you to go and do this for me. And maybe some of the sons inside the church may see that and they may not be happy. Why? Why not me? And why this one? That's what I'm How do you handle it as a father in such a case? Well, I, I don't think I, I, I do you have an answer to this question? Yeah, in, in, in my situation, I don't know of any such situation. But for instance, like this camp, this camp, if you are not a member of Lighthouse, your registration is 20,000 cities. But if you are a member of Lighthouse, your registration is 120,000 cities. Because it's not for you. It's it's a program for people who are not in the church, really. And if you are coming, you are get crashing. So pay fully and come. Yeah. And the sons inside are not happy. They are quarreling outside there. They are fighting over there. And they are saying that it is not fair and so on. But sometimes it's the people who are outside who do better than people who are inside. That's what I feel. Because if you take sometimes, yeah, not always, but sometimes. Because if I look at Papa Hagen, he has many sons who are inside who did well. But there are many people who claim him as a father but are not part of Rima. Even his old son is part of Rima, and his own son is one of his fruits. You see him sitting on the street, big church that he has established in Tulsa. It's not a pastor. There's not a pastor at all. Papaegian is not a pastor at all, which is a prophet. He said one day he was in a room and he was, his room was next to the pastor's office and he was preaching in that church and he said he was in the next room and the pastor was doing counselling in the next room. So everything the pastor was saying, he was listening to it. He was, he could hear. So he said sometimes he will be dead that that a member. How come the person will be talking this, this, this, this? They said that as he listened to the problem instead. How is this pastor going to answer such a problem, you see? And he was saying that it's a marvelous thing to him, you see, because he is a prophet. He is not a pastor at all. He doesn't, he's very mystical and he doesn't talk much and he is just a prophet and a teacher. Do you see? And he said that every time the pastor had an answer and he was always surprised because he's not a pastor. You get it. But anyway, so you have people, even his own sons, some are part of Rima. Even his daughter is not in Rima in another group called FCF. And they had some conflict, Rima and FCF. So I think it's it's part of it, but I hope I've answered your question. That's the first one. And the second one, what should the fathers who have not behaved themselves well and are causing their sons to also react and do wrong? Is that not so? Yeah. So what I would say is that if if the fathers are not doing well because many people are not doing well as fathers, that doesn't mean that you should also turn into an Orango. You have to decide not to. That's why. So when Saul was throwing javelins and Spears at David, that's what the way a father, a father doesn't try to kill his son quickly. He'd rather try to let his son live long. So if you are not trying to kill your father, but that doesn't mean that you must also take your sword and attack David and hurt yourself in the end. So that doesn't mean that you get up and you start to fight and talk anyhow. So that is the danger that you need to be careful of that. When Spears are being thrown at you and they are not treating you well, that does not mean that you also do because you have a sin. The father too has a sin. The Father's sin is to kill his son, and the Son's sin is to kill his father and attack his father. So if your father has sinned, you be wise and decide to yourself, I will not also sin. That's it. And it's a good message. I said it's a good message. Amen. All right. I think will you keep your questions and we'll come back when we are feeling sleepy. We'll do some more Question Time. All right, because we are here for some time. And as you know, we are getting gradually to the end of our our programme as we are going on. You get it. So hopefully next time we'll have it a little longer.