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03. Keys To Coming Out Of Obscurity 3
Bishop Dag Heward-MillsAbout this sermon
Camp Title - Coming Out Of Obscurity. Machaneh Collection - 54. Preached in 2008, Ghana (Elmina). Bishop Dag Heward-Mills is a world-renowned evangelist, bestselling Christian author with over 100 books, and leader of the United Denominations, present in 100+ countries. Through his Healing Jesus Campaigns, thousands have been healed, and millions saved across Africa and beyond. As you follow this podcast, may you begin to know God in a way you have never before! Don’t forget to click the follow button and turn on notifications.
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Welcome to track #3 of coming out of obscurity. Father, thanks for your blessing in Jesus name, Amen. All right, all right, all right, all right. How many keys do you have? I don't have it. I tell you, if you can somehow make tithing in major thing, I just somehow feel that you become far 10 times more successful in the ministry tights alone. Yeah, yeah. All right. Key #7 What is 7 in my book? Well, it's seven in my book, so no, no, no, there's no 6 #7. I'll give you 6 later. The. Key. Of valuing small things, and Eli up his eldest brother, when he had, when he speak unto the many lives, anger was kindled against David, And he said, Why came as thou down hit her? And with whom has thou left those few sheep? Amen. Now this next key is a key of valuing a very small thing, you see. Is it not true? Yeah, and. That is what. You can have. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what you can have. That is what you can have. And as long. As those few. Or something small is despised in your eyes. I can assure you, without a doubt, you will never be a great person. Yeah. So my. Effort as. A father to make you become great in the ministry i
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Welcome to track #3 of coming out of obscurity. Father, thanks for your blessing in Jesus name, Amen. All right, all right, all right, all right. How many keys do you have? I don't have it. I tell you, if you can somehow make tithing in major thing, I just somehow feel that you become far 10 times more successful in the ministry tights alone. Yeah, yeah. All right. Key #7 What is 7 in my book? Well, it's seven in my book, so no, no, no, there's no 6 #7. I'll give you 6 later. The. Key. Of valuing small things, and Eli up his eldest brother, when he had, when he speak unto the many lives, anger was kindled against David, And he said, Why came as thou down hit her? And with whom has thou left those few sheep? Amen. Now this next key is a key of valuing a very small thing, you see. Is it not true? Yeah, and. That is what. You can have. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what you can have. That is what you can have. And as long. As those few. Or something small is despised in your eyes. I can assure you, without a doubt, you will never be a great person. Yeah. So my. Effort as. A father to make you become great in the ministry is not to move you from there. Because I don't despise that place in Axim or Hafasini or Anchi. I don't despise it, and until. You value it. And you? See, in it, the thing that is in it, you never have a great thing. Yeah. Do you understand? Yeah. It applies in every. Sphere of life where when I, when I got a house to stay in, you know, when I got a place to stay in, it was far away from what I was used to because I, I grew up, I didn't know anyone in Dansoman. Where I grew up. But that was what I had, because every person who God wants to raise up slowly has to start from a small. Thing and when The thing is put to you. I don't like this one. That's the end of your ministry. That's the end of you. You finished. You are finished. Because you despised that which was given to you. If I look in my family, my house, I have somebody in my house called Charles. He's even my mother was saying it to me yesterday, said that this man is like these children's is like their uncle. It's like their uncle. He has been in the house for four many years before even Daniela was born. Yeah. He's like, it's like an uncle. It's like if not that he is at his wedding. My mother was there, my mother-in-law and the family is is is not here's a family member fully. You were there at his wedding? Yeah. He's like that uncle. You know where I got him? He was selling dock chains by the roadside. Yeah. I give him my the key to my room. He's the only person I give the key to my my bedroom that I'm going. Last week I was going somewhere. I wanted him to repair something in the room. I gave him a key to my room. I'm going. Here's the key to my my room and do it and come. Oh, yeah, I've come for this campaign. I came with my chef. I have a chef. It's called Ofori. Yeah. He just served some Bishop Saki and Bishop Eddie. Something to eat, Yeah. Now you are not going to start with Chef Chef. Do you know where I got him from? Do you know where I got him from? From a village. From a village with a such roof. His mother sells kinky in that village. He's now a chef. I brought him and I'm planning to travel with him. He's a, he's a chef, excellent chef. You cannot get Chef Francois Chef, I mean junior or something there's. Nothing like that. There's nothing like that, yeah. Yeah, you, what you can get is somebody from the village. That's what you can get. Do you get what I'm saying? And that is what I've become. That thing is what I've become, that great thing. That's the point that I'm trying to make if everything. All right. The key is that that small thing which seems to have been given, it's not a demotion in any form of fashion. It's not a demotion at all. You have been given that little church in Mali. It's not a devotional thought. It's everything is that church. Everything in the world is that church. Your Kai's in the church, your house is in the church, your children's education in the church. From that place, you'll be surprised. That your child can go to university anywhere in the world, whatever from that thing that has been given to you in order in Kenya in this and everything is. All in it but. What I'm saying is that if you feel that it is nothing to you. Throw it away. And be there because we are not going to struggle to force you to see something you cannot see. The financial situation itself will force you to. See what you are not seeing. That's why I'm going to show you Bonky's life story. I I don't think I'll show you all, but I'll show you one or two. They have 4 DVDs that I'll show you one or two. The one that has. So do we have a reset? The one that has shows you the beginning of his life. Yeah. So that you would appreciate it. So when? The thing is given to you. Can you imagine? You go to the labor ward and you push. Then it comes as it's too small. It's too small I. Wanted a daughter. I wanted a son. What is this? Is that all? After nine months. Is that all? Bring the dustbin. Let me You don't have a dustbin. So I can just. Put it in because I wanted a sun, I wanted a sun, I wanted a sun. Put in a dustbin, throw away. I wanted a sun, not this little thing. When you touch the head cries. There's no bone in the head. That's all that nylon. That's the only thing that can be given to you. Something very small. Have you found that? That's been. Yeah. Bring your baby. Come open. We we put the baby in. Put it in, smelly. Take it away. Because we wanted what? A son? A daughter with breasts? Not this that you have to. To feed. What do you think? I wanted somebody who will send me money every month. What is somebody who send me every month money every month from abroad? And look at what you have given rather something that I have to spend money on. Are you saying something? Yeah. And what I'm trying to tell you is that the thing you holding can become something that will spend send money to you every month, but no one is given the grown up version. No one is given the grown up version. Of. The thing all of us have that same story I hope I'm making. Yeah. Eric, what do you think? Yeah, so #8 I'm talking about how to come out of obscurity. How to come out of obscurity. The next one is the key of rolling up your sleeves and doing menial chops. Roll up your sleeves. Do. You remember yesterday Nana Kutto was telling us about the white guy stand up the whites. What did you tell us about the whites? What are the things that this guy does? He wrote us, if even he does what he. Farms. He farms what farms? What farms palm nuts farm? Does he have pigs? What does he do? And then I I had before he also used to keep antelopes. No DA yeah, DAS as well, but I didn't see it. I was. In use it for what you. Know he keeps it, yeah. DA, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they built a school as well. He built a school. Yeah, yeah. No for themselves. For their children. Yeah. OK, it's a key. One time I was in debt and I had to roll out my sleeves and go and work in a post. Office Box Post office. I work in a post post box. Sit down. Yeah. And I did it because I had to do it. And if you have to roll up your sleeves, not if you have to. You have to, Mr. Big Shot. You've just come and you are a big shot. You see, God has to use a revolution to be able to turn you into a real big shot. Because you know, that it took a lot of visions and dreams and other things to make me accept certain things. That's a crisis, actually. That may be accept to do certain jobs. I mean to, to operate in a certain way. Because even the picture of big, big shortism is something I don't like. Yeah. So God had to use. Problems to make me have certain facilities that certain executives have. I had dreams, problems even travelling the way I travel. I used to travel in a setting with the one particular day I was coming. I was travelling, but I had a. Crisis at the airport? You know, as I was checking in all. Kinds of confusion. You know, it was I always saving money, saving money by the time I even left after I overcame that problem at the airport and I eventually got out, almost didn't get out. But when I eventually got out, something said to me that, look, you have to grow up and know how to travel in a certain way. Do you understand? But I didn't just get up and say today I am a big man and I'm going to do this, I'm going to travel this way or that. It was a crisis which made me realise, yeah, I don't understand what I'm saying. Yeah. So ladies and gentlemen, that is what you have to ask yourself. All of us. Hafasini, Axim. NT. Far away in the north, every northern pastor who doesn't have cows. I'll ask you a question. Pastor Prince is a farmer. In other words, he studied farming. And I always. Tell him, Prince, tell them the truth when we are driving, I said. Prince, do you see this man here? If somebody's coming to hotel in a helicopter, are you there? Yeah, I always said I'll be driving. I said Prince, she's this guy. He has not been to school, he's not gone anywhere, He has not studied Prince, what have you studied? Agricultural. What? Animal science. And you don't masters in what I know what. Physiology. But this guy who doesn't have even Charlie Worthy, he has got 20 cows. And he's moving around with them. He's able to. Wreck House. Beef in Accra, Yeah, he's able to reign by you with your Physiology animal. This animal that studied in Denmark or where Norway travel. Across the tracks, doing farming work and so on. You cannot have even 1 tower, only one goat for all your studies, or even a rabbit. It's serious though. It shows something about us. That is what we have, what we know, the opportunities we have. That's why I've. Really. Forced myself, now I have some cows. You know, I have some cows now. Recently, one of my daughters was getting married. She was coming, having a celebration. She said, oh, she's getting mine, I thought. I said, look, I said, big man, what can I do? I said, I'll give you a cow for your wedding. And. I get a cow, so take a cow. I want to supply the Bible school with a cow every month for them to eat it. Yeah, the school and the orphanage. It's my vision. If this man who can I do have Charlie Wood, doesn't have anything, he's able to have cows. In Accra, can I? Not also have some I have to. Roll up my sleeves and one day when you see that I'm rich and I have flocks and. Heads. Don't be jealous of me. Yeah, because don't be jealous. I have flocks and heads so. Bishop, do you know that he has? Over 1000 cows, so yeah. When I was into cows, people were laughing at me. They will come, you see. Give them a cow. I'll be sharing cows to people. When I have to pay you, I'll count it in cows. Give them 3 cows. What do you think? But you see our people, you will sit in that town. Nothing. My father in law's very rich man. There was a time in his head days. One of the things my wife. Told me he. Had a lot of goats. Kaka, is it true as not true? Plenty goats Integrity. It's Kathy's into goats. Is he rich people? Somebody who has more articulated trash than anybody else. He has got another side. Business of goats plenty. And you can't have any one. Goat, why don't you roll up your sleeves brother, you'll never buy. Meat in your house again till you die. You don't think so? Why is it that a white man is able to overcome all the problems that are associated with it? But As for you, when you hear the problem. Your epilepsy comes. Your epilepsy and your Down syndrome comes. You can't speak, you just stand up. What kind of dullness is that? You don't understand what I'm saying. What kind of dullness is that? I don't accept it. I can't accept it. Look at Ghana, we have no food and we'll be saying, so listen, we have, we import chicken, we import cassava, we import everything, pig feet, chicken, everything. I mean, you think about it. What? Is in US that cannot make enough chickens in this country For us to have enough chicken in this country, not even one chicken will be brought from outside the country into this country. It's fantastical, but the reason that you cannot understand why it cannot be is the same reason. Why you cannot also have? Because. Because you need to roll up your sleeves and do practical dirty things. Menial things. In order to have that kind of prosperity. And it is that that. We don't want to do. That's what we don't want to do. It's like you don't want to get into certain things. It's true. And I'm telling you, it is a key to becoming a wealthy person. Amen. So, brothers and sisters, roll up. Roll up your sleeves. My wife was a lawyer, a practicing lawyer. I sent her to work in a factory. Roll up your sleeve, sister. You are married to dad and we don't have money. Get to the job. And she went up and down, going to work at a factory one day. Car. The police arrested her. Who is she? I've seen her working here. Up and down, Yeah. Mr. Big Shot. Huh, big man, you can't do what? I drive myself from Accra to the north of Ghana. I drive myself, somebody at my level, they don't drive themselves. I drive myself. I drop myself here. I drive myself everywhere. I don't need a driver. I don't want people to be in my car listening to what I'm saying. Thank you. You. I mean you. You save money. They don't need anything I don't need, I don't have. But we are not like that. Have you seen a big man in Ghana who drives himself? I'm asking, have you seen some before? Can I see a young big shot? Open the car. You sit inside this park. Driver. Call the driver. Driver, driver, Driver, Driver, driver. Tell me, is it not true? Is it not like that? Nigeria too? Is your mate OK? Yeah. Does it? Does it Small, big shot. You have a. Secretary. Do you know what is a secretary? What is a secretary? You have a secretary? Goodness gracious, you have an administrator. Hey, do you know how you? What makes a person need an administrator? For how many years in the church we have felt without having any such person? Now you have employed us because you saw it. As a picture. So please, roll up your sleeves and get to the job. You've made me sport my glasses. All right? And David came to Seoul and stood before him, and he loved him greatly, and he became his armor bearer. All right, First Samuel 16. You see, David started by rolling up his sleeves. We are going to carry armor. We are not going to fight. Amen. What do you think? Is it a good idea? Key #9 The key of turning away from despises of your life and ministry. Psalm 64 says that they may shoot in secret at the perfect. Suddenly do they shoot at him, And fear not, they encourage themselves in an evil matter. The commune of laying snares privily. Amen. Turn away from people who despise your what you are doing. It does not help at all. Amen, including your including your close people. Amen. Including your close people. I with me. Turn away from them. Turn away if it's from your family, turn away from your friends. Turn away from people who speak quietly and don't respect you. I can mention people that I have turned away from decisively. I turn away from them, Guarela. They did not respect me and they did not believe in me. What you respect, Mike Maddock says, what you respect, it will come to you. You attract. If you respect it, it will come to you. Yeah. You attract it to you because you place value on it, and you treat it with value. And because you treat it with value, it comes to you. One time I went to preach in a certain church in Accra and when I finished preaching, they gave me an honorarium and everything and they went. I took an offering, I took my time and took offering for them and all that. As they gave me the. Offering and I got into the car. I said to myself I won't come here again. If they invite me, I won't come again because I felt that they did not appreciate me. I have not opened the envelope or anything, but I just felt in my heart I knew that they did not appreciate. And it was confirmed later on because I found out these guys saying all sorts of funny things. That's like they're just having me there. But I said as how I was stepping, I remember the door was open. I was stepping into the car. They gave me them. Oh God bless. You. This Christian went. I received them myself. God bless you, I said. I won't come here again. You have to. Move away from things that don't. With these things that people that despise you, they don't believe in what you are doing. Because I'm telling you, there's a lot. Of psychological battle for your your life. And you need to do everything that makes it workable. Yeah. So, so that's why you need people that believe in you, people that believe in what you are. That's why you can flourish. Yeah. Because I may call this person and say it's my chef, but somebody may not call that person a chef. So I may be the only person that can take that person as a chef in the world. Yeah, so stay where you are loved and choose people to be with you when you are who respect you. Recently, we asked some pastors to move around. You go here, you go here, you go here. I was watching them as they were moving around. If there's a war in Ghana and I'm moved out of Ghana, I will go with some people. I wouldn't change setting. People that are working with me, even if the circumstance changes, never because they are part of me. Like socks are on my leg. Yeah, because it's not that I'm the best. I'm not not. Perfect. But you need people that respect you, they like you, they believe in you. Oh yeah, that's the only environment under which you can become greater. So those of you who have chosen people as assistants and you have assistants who don't believe in you. Those are some of the reason why your church can't work. You must have lovers and respect people, respect and love. They are very close. They are like twins. You must have that kind of person with you. So that's why. When some of them requested say, can I go with this person I know I go with the person that you think you can go with because it's not easy to get somebody to to, to respect. Recently, you know, Professor Schmo was having some problems with some of his people. I said hello, the same instruction that you give to these guys who are giving, when you give that same instruction to another person, there will be no problem. Even if. The instruction you are giving is a mistake. The one who loves you the instruction. The mistake instruction will not bring about a problem with the person who loves you, but the. Person who doesn't love when you shift. More and you make a mistake in what you are doing, you are done. I mean the attitude you are confirming to the person how you are not qualified to be with the person. So for me, I need that environment. I need the environment of trusting people, loving people, people who think that you are good, people who think you are because I, I know the world's there's this world, there's this world. All of us have our funny. Ways, Kevin, you need it and you know, it's interesting as you go on in ministry. Let's say you are married. Your spouse becomes easily one of the people who doesn't believe you and is not impressed. Not as an evil thing, but generally. You know I. Can be standing in the pulpit seriously about the preacher. My wife would do this. I should smile. I'm too serious. Nobody in the church can signal me that smiles. But she was sick. Signal. Smile, smile. You are too serious. Yeah. And I I'll just start laughing it. It's funny to me. So and, and, and and if you if you make the mistake of being married to somebody who in ministry has a strong other opinion or has a different mind that doesn't correspond to your mind. You can have an opposition party planted in your house every decision you take. Objection, my Lord. Some people have a unlike an opposition party in the house, especially guns, gun women, Gun women have a problem, a problem with understanding in order to flow. And I do not apologize for what I'm saying. Yes, I will say they cannot understand, they cannot yield, they cannot agree. They not surrender, they're not giving, give up, stop fighting. If you want them to say yes, they wouldn't say yes, they'll say no. If you want them to say no, they'll say yes. It's fantastic. I can point to you several either divorces or marriages that are divorced internally and you see gun women without understanding. Yeah. And they are usually very beautiful beauties. Beauties. It's fantastic, so you may end up turning away from that person towards another or towards others who when you come to the chair, they'll treat you like lot of Lords when you arrive. Oh, Pastor. But remember that sweet smiling sister who is saying Pastor if you. Marry the person I lost another of the same time the sweets say pastor, glory be to God, you change. Yeah, so that is why you have to overcome. If it happens you have mired an opposition party try to win, you are rewarded for overcoming. You have to. You have to stay in it. And overcome your marriage, you have to overcome in it. If you have to teach on respect, do some teachings in the house, you have to you have to do some teachings from time to time. You have to inform the household as to. Who is the? Head of the house, you have to win. Do you understand everything? You have to win. You can't run away. Do you see? A marriage is once and for all. That's what you get. What you had is what you had. You can't change it. You have to win. Oh, you don't understand my message? You have to win. Try to. Win, you'll be rewarded. Because you overcame the circumstance you found yourself in. God help you to overcome in that particular circumstance. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, But it's not easy to create a flourishing environment of where you do it. That's that's a, that's the apple tree environment of Europe. That's why apple trees grow in Europe. There's a climate, a feeling, then the trees growing, but you bring to. Sahara you bring to. What do you call it? There's nothing and as the climate and environment. Gets worse, fewer and. Fewer are able to do well. Look. I'm telling you something I cannot over emphasize this point that the climate and the environment in which you minister greatly affect. I have noticed it's not. Depend on my fasting. How well I do it does not depend on my fasting. It does not depend on my preparation. It depends on the people. I'll say 90%. It depends on who I'm ministering to. Depend on my flow, Yeah, my flow and the level of the ministry depends on who I ministry 90% more than myself as I keep. Moving around, realizing you go to this place, you see that it's a complete. You go to a place, the pastor will tell you, the pastor will tell you that loyalty message that you preach. It really helps. He's telling you those type of messages. He said preach about anything, but I said that loyalty message, he's saying preach loyalty to my people. What do you do? You open your book and then you you float because see, that's what he wants. He doesn't want a good performance. He wants something that will kill the Stephens in the church. And when the pastor welcomes you, a church, you see a church, there's only one person. Who is important when you go and preach? There's the pastor of the church. That's what many visiting preachers don't know. The pastor's welcoming environment is the main thing. Because you can come and say whatever I want to call. The person doesn't like it or doesn't believe it. That's your last day. You are never coming back there again. You will never come there again. That congregation doesn't. But. Congregation don't send letters we. Collectively have come together and I've decided that you should come and preach to us. I remember one place that I I was invited to that they didn't invite me again. I kept on meeting church members and reports. Oh, everybody's asking of you. Everybody's asking of you where everybody 's asking of me. But the pastimes I'm not asking of me. Forgive. Everybody was asking where you were. Everybody was asking everybody saying, oh, why we're expecting you? You're the only one who didn't come this year. I said I just might say, well, once the main person doesn't answer me, I cannot go there. So you cannot. Flourish. In an environment of people that don't really believe in you, you need it. You need it. All right. The next one, the key of commanding your family to help you and to follow you is this. For I know him, He will command his children and his household after him, and that shall keep the way of the Lord to do justice and judgement, that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which He has spoken of him. Genesis 18, verse 19. Amen. Let me tell you something. Your family can help you greatly in the ministry. One of the ways you can come out of obscurity is to get your family to help you. You know, I was preaching the other night about Airways and how somebody was advising Reverend Steve, my friend Reverend Steve, he was advised, he said that look, if you are sending somebody to your voter regime, if you don't send somebody from there it will not work. And he told me, he said if you send somebody who is from there, the people will say our brother has been on it. Is it not true? Punctuous. Is it punctuous, Pious. Pious. Are you unaware? They will say what you have been on it. And so we have to help support him to do well because he has been all it as an ambassador. Yeah, represents us. When he does well, he's represented all of us. That's how. Always think that's why they support rallies day or night. Is Yevuvi our fight, baby? Yevuvuvi. Now, Big Dad, is your Is your family helping you? See, I know Abraham. He will make his family flow. I'm giving you a key. Oh, I'm giving you a key. Listen to a key to bring you out. Let your family help you. I can mention to you 7 times that my family helped me. Yeah. To start a church in Geneva. My sisters came together and bought me a ticket and said come to start the first branch of the church. They flew me into Geneva and I started the church there. And I who did I stay with? I stayed with Beatrix, my sister. I stayed in the house. I ate her food, I bathed in her bathroom. I used her toilet. I remember exactly where my sisters, my big sister, this one again, she wanted, I wanted to be in full time ministry. I spoke to her again. I said can you help me so I can help you? See, that's why it's not good to cry because if you've cried your brothers and sisters, my message cannot work. Now do you get what I'm saying? Message cannot work. What I'm preaching about cannot help you. I talked to my sister and she said I will help you. The way she used was that if you're going to preach and people are going to be safe, they're going to schools and all that. I really believe in that. I like that. I will give you money, give me money. God bless her, God bless her. I entered into full time ministry. My mother helped me when the church could not. Afford. To give me a house. My mother, she need not have done that. She need not have done that. What do you think? Huh. My mother drove with me round Accra. She took me to Beyond Dummy to look for houses. My mother. She helped me even when I wanted to do business. She gave me money At different times. I will see her say mommy, this is what I want to do. That's why I was getting her. One day she went and brought what the fire for a maturity conference. Become who you can become. I am saying, he says. I know this person that I'm sending. He will involve his family. Yeah, he will get his family involved. His family will help him. He will make. His family join, make his family be involved. Let his family be in the thing. They're my wife's family. She got today her, her family, her family are all in the chat. This one here sitting here, Prophet, baby. That's the smallest brother, huh? He's a prophet. Kakra means small. Her family are all in the. Church. Counting money in the church. Her sister. Whom? Her father thought she's the one I wanted to marry. I'll go to the house. And he thought I was coming for that one. So he put her in the car and take her out. But not knowing that I was. Hey brothers. Hey brothers, sit down, you can sit down. Hey brothers are pastors her sisters cousins a company that prints our Healing Jesus magazine. Now they print it for us as a blessing cost more than $15,000 to print it once he printed for us free. They're all cousins his the wife stayed in our room where I was staying in one room she stayed in. Now he used to come and visit her in that house. We were all together. She's like she's just their sister relatives. They are all in the church helping. I know Abraham, he would like this. You command this household. The dogs, everybody will be involved in the ministry. They help the father, the mother. They are sat, you see, camp like this is my wife's father and mother have sat in a camp for the entire camp from morning to evening, every day at the camp, they sit at the back there watching me preaching. Pastor 12 Do you remember? And even just the respect. Yeah, see. What do you think I can't and if? That has helped. Me, I'm like an away as I'm like an away whose family members have helped. Am I giving you a key? I said. Am I giving you a key to come out of obscurity? Yeah, you'll sit there. And just recently, one of my sisters. Who is not even a member of the church. You know, she just sent me an offering. She said I should have done this long time ago. You are such a. Blessing. Yeah, yeah. And I relate with all of them at different levels. And you are there and your family, you've quarreled. You've quarreled with your father, you've quarreled with your auntie. You don't talk to your sister. You don't talk. It's not a good thing. Oh, you don't understand what I'm saying? It's. Not a good thing. Try to see that your family is one of the helpful assets that you have in the in the world. So for me, I'll say that a family member that my brother-in-law, he supported the ministry and at least his donations through my binding machines, files and all these other things. For a long time. And I said we won't pay. We won't pay. We are blessed. What do you think? Yeah. So, Big D, you can get your family if your mother notice. My mother, she works at the orphanage, the church orphanage. My mother worked in the finance office. She worked for Becky. She came to she come to the office all the time and worked there filing things that at the finance office. Yeah, my mother. When she retired, she went to work at the church finance office. Becky's used to come, yeah, bookkeepers to come and organize the orphanage. She goes to the orphanage every week. She goes to clean the place, do everything back there. That's my mother and my wife. Oh, you don't understand what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah. And my wife is involved as I'm preaching, as she's also preaching somewhere. Yeah. And my wife just she's. Just. I mean, she has a role that she plays, you know, Yeah, the key. Of family service to what? As the key of family service, it's the same. Key that I'm, I'm sharing, what do you think? All right, all right, all right. Good, good, good. Amen. How many keys do you have? OK, you just just use your own numbering, your number #11 the key of sowing seeds, spiritual seeds, in ministering to other people, ministering. And it came to pass when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took a harp, all right, and played with his hands. Amen. So. Saul was refreshed and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him. Amen. Now he ministered to others. Now I was, I was sharing with someone. I said, look, one of the keys to having a certain ministry. Is to sow a seed. If you help somebody, you are sowing a seed of help and you are likely to be helped. If you help somebody, you are likely to be helped. In this life, When I, when I go preaching, you know what my aim is. When I go preaching somebody's church, you know what my aim is? My aim is to help the guy. That's my aim. My aim is not to minister well, you see, but. Every time I have that aim, it leads. To. More blessings for me. Remember I was telling you recently about this church I went to minister and I went to say I mean I want to help the person and also minister what God has told me to. I believe God wants me to minister, which is usually in that line. When you do that, it seems rather open more doors. Even though I may not, I may be able to have a miracle service because I have, I have miracle services, but I, I leave the miracle service out, help the guy, help the church. When I first was in London, I was going around helping Pastor Michael Bassett to have his church. I never knew that I used to share Kenneth Hagin books. I never knew that one day somebody also shared my books. I used to share. I bought the books my own money and shared shared the little books like that I get I'll. Go travel on a cheap to and. Give somebody just one of those little books. Travel for that Kenneth Hagin was great. And then? Michael Busse's church was. Great. You should come there. Victory Church. That's all. I don't think about whether I'm great, whether I'll get money, you know, Damn mind. You see, so David coming to the house, he just ministers to solve, solve problems, solves needs, solve difficulties, just ministers to him. He doesn't. Make himself great. But he opened the door for him. To stay in this palace and by ministry is it. Let me say something, especially your first opportunity. Don't try to be great, try to help because people like helpers and people like helpful people. You can help somebody, help the person. God will bless you. Yeah. So you know, passes. Some of us are going to be getting opportunity to go round Collins to go and minister. Maybe you have to go to Saint Lucia. When you go there, don't, don't think you know, I'm going to demonstrate something. Don't demonstrate anything. Think about this past time struggling in Saint Lucia. And how what is happening here can be helped. That's all. And Minister? To to Saul. It will open doors for you in the palaces of this life. Are you understanding what I'm saying? Yeah. You see the other churches in your town where you are in Lubumbashi and Kinshasa. Is it Kinshasa or Kinshasa? Kinshasa and Lusaka. Is it Pasasasoya? If you became concerned about other churches in Lusaka and in Zambia that they really. Need. There are soul pastors all over. They really need something like loyalty or a CD or a tape. You may think you are wasting your time or what you are doing is no contributing to Lighthouse in Lusaka working. I see. It's the spiritual thing. You see, the direct doing of what you are doing doesn't make your church work. But you'll be surprised that it rather opens. Your ministry in a way that you may not. Know or even God may send somebody. To come and stand. Inside your church and behave like how you are behaving. That is here to talk to people, is here to stabilize people. Only one person. Like that can make all the difference. You saw yourself as a helper. And then God sends. Somebody to help? Oh yeah. Recently one of our church members, his mother was celebrating her 80th birthday. And they, they invited me to come for the lunch. So when I when I was going, I told my wife please. Call. So and so and tell him that I want to make a speech at the party and called him and told him I said, oh sure, you can make a speech. So when I went there, I said no, I just came because I want to say thank you because this lady is not 80 years old, but some years ago in 19891990, this woman came to our church. I said I want to thank you for three things I've come there to say thank you for. Three things. I'm talking about help. God sent her to help us. First of all, such a prominent woman in Ghana to join the church. As I said after church, sometimes you correct me and tell me, look, you need to get on with the message. You know at that time I was talking about fake facts. It's like I'm repeating so I should get on with it. I said yes ma'am. Then we flow. Then when our church was about to be sent, he would go to Sakas from the medical school canteener. How can a church be in the medical school canteen? She was a member of the board of the medical school. And when they were trying to throw us out, we would have been thrown into a cardboard box at in that far. Back a lighthouse was about to. End. And she stood up and raised up her horns. And she she asked the medical school, how can you want to suck my church from the medical school canteen? They say we church your church is rich church because that's where the ambassadors and the top people go. So my church is not. My church is not rich. My church is lighthouse in the canteen. Yeah. Let this be your last time. No, I tell you, it's a seed. God raise somebody up to come and say no, no, no, this one is not about money. It's somebody who came to help you, not a lady Malik can buy. Recently I was driving through Supura, Russia. Through. Not probit to the the church and I pass the church something light something church. It is made-up of these Wawa. Boards, there's the blocks. The blocks have 3 levels and then they have the overlapping Wawa. Boards the 2 by 6 Wawa. Boards, you see, I know 2 by 6, two by 4/2. By this you don't know. You see but 2 by 6 printed. With a shed something light. And they lost to me. That's where you would have been. If I have not helped you. That you would have been there, it's equally. As good as you, but I've raised you up. Is it so? It just a sort of like a wild. I was like a wild. Person in this church which was beginning, they didn't have drums, they didn't have anything. As if I've been employed. I'll go to Streatham, I'll go to Meadowville, I'll go to Brixton, Clapham Common across to Stratford, cross to. Where do they hold? Wembley or calling people with books like this, it's like, I've really helped this church. Became one of the largest churches in and all those people were in the church, but not for any salary. Kennedy has not employed as a distributor. I see God. Also sent somebody and not only that, the other people to help, yeah. So don't, don't, don't hold back from. Being a minister and a helper to because it's kind of like a seat, they be stuck up and also send such a person to you in aspect of your life you may not know. Then later on, this same woman, when we were going to buy Office cinema, we didn't have money so we wrote letters. That's where I learnt that writing letters for approval, I find it useless. We didn't get even one response. But anyway, we wrote to a particular millionaire in Ghana and she said write that I, I will give my house, not her, not her residence here. She had an office block in town. I'll give my house as a guarantee. For a loan from you. As a millionaire. And he knows her. They are all Christians. Have you seen some before? Yeah, I'm talking. I mean, I that's what, when I heard that you were having a part. Because the next I hear she'll be gone, then I'll be standing at the funeral. So I'm coming to say thank you. Tribute. Because you will not hear it. So don't be afraid of ministering to people. Don't think of it even. Just Flo Flo Flo. It's like this is to somebody's child, Flo. You'll be surprised. One day you'll be there and somebody will be looking after your child and God will raise up a kind person. So come and love your children. Amen. Are you there all right, I'm I'm showing you how to do it. See, but this is a very spirituality. This last key is one of the most spiritual keys I've given without without it has this type of duties or do this. It's very wild, but that's why I do get what I'm saying. It's like you are there to build life as it's true. What good is it? When I go to this person, I introduce this book and I show him this and that and that is like, what have I? You'll be surprised and don't think about that. But the way God can do, like Mike Meadow says, whatever you make happy for others, God will make happy for you. Not the man, but God. Are you there, king #12? The key of walking in the light and having fellowship with others. Now first John chapter one, verse 7. If we walk in the light as he is in the light, amateur mercy. We used to have compressed. People say the food is too much, too much sacrifice to eat. The season has changed now. If. We ever read the best if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses out from all sin. Amen. The blood of Jesus Christ. Cleansing you is the help you need, but that comes if you walk in the light as He is in the light. Now many of us are not walking in the light. Do you get what I'm saying? What do I mean by walking in the light? Walk where you can be seen clearly. What I mean is live that I can see you. Do you get it F video. Can you stand up? And then can you go behind this curtain just behind you? Aha. You see now let's say I fellowship with the video. Are you there? How's life? Is that joy? Can you see me? OK, then come to this side of it. You come peep through. But don't. No, no, don't let me see you. This side. The other side. Uh huh. Yeah. Be peeping through. I see she can see me, but I can see her. You see you. Think that we can have very good fellowship compared with the brother who is here, huh? But why are you hiding behind the curtain? Are you shy? I heard your voice and I hid myself. Look at her. That's how our relationships are. Yeah. And some of us are well hidden behind the curtains. Well, well hidden behind the curtains. And so we are not able to finish it properly. You get it? What do you think? Yeah. So what are we going to do about it? See. Can you explain this message better to the people? Praise the Lord. So Bishop was saying why big gear standing. She can see us and we can see, hey, so she must come to the light. Or isn't that a point? So you see, I think that like the point Bishop is making. You have to be. We all have to be in the light because if you hear Bishop talking on ministry and so on, opens himself up and so on, talks about his marriage, talks about this, talking about this and so on. But for you, every time, oh, how is life? Talk about my family, my mother, my, this, my. I don't know anything about you. For 10 years I've been struggling in your in your home, but nobody knows. So struggling. With what? Struggling with your wife, struggling with issues in the house, everybody says, oh, but by the grace of God, we are winning, but you are not winning. So, so it makes the relationship artificial. So the day we discovered that oh, this issue has been there for 10 years, that's why the solution is not working. You are always quiet on some sides, areas that if it's church area, you can talk about it, but some areas there when it took no comments. So the person stays at a certain level, there's no flow, full flow. And so the blood is able to do it's work does. It. Have for me do. You see? But you know, I, I, I I. Want to just stay on this point a bit because I think that I find it the greatest, you know, difficulty in getting into people's life. Now, if I think somebody like Pastor Obi, I'll say that I'll be able to, I've been able to flow with him while he's open. He talks to a point. There was a time that he wasn't open, right? Was that? Is that not over there? But you know, there's a level of being yourself that makes us suddenly get close. Is it that? Then we will fellowship one with another. Then we can have fellowship. So actually, many of us don't have fellowship. We have hellos and we have protocol and we don't have fellowship. We have smiles. We have protocols, and I'm not a protocol person. I don't sit in my office for people to come and give me greetings. I'm just not that way. That's not my style. We've come. We have come to greet Bishop. Hello. Hello, Hello. Those are the people who can crucify you. I am a relationship. I like relationship. Let's flow. Because when the problem comes anyway, it's going to come and we will come and we will be solving the problem. What do you think? Yeah, so far. What do you think? Yeah. Now many of us have relational problems. Ghanaians have relational problems. Ghanaians, you know, I never knew when those of you who don't know international relations, you will not know. But there is a difference between Nigerians and Ghanaians. Recently there was a lady who has lived. She's been posted to Ghana to work in the US Embassy. But she worked in the US embassy. Are you listen to this one? She worked in the US Embassy in Lagos, in Abuja for five years. So she was, she has been, she was taken back to America and she was brought to Ghana. So somebody met her and asked her, oh, I'm sure you, you are happy. You are very glad that you've been brought to Ghana. You know what, the lady. Said she's been in Ghana now for she's been in Ghana now for I think at least two years plus or more, she said. I'm sure you you're happy that you've been brought to Ghana, he said. Oh no, I prefer Nigeria. He said why? He said. Oh. In. Ghana, I have no friends than America. In Ghana I have no friends. The people are nice, they smile at you, but that's everybody's. But in Nigeria, I have friends. This is not the first time I've heard it. Even the other day my own mother was telling me, she said in Ghana, she said I have no friends. Say your wife is my friend and apart from your wife, Nigerians, no Canadian hair really so-called aunties and relatives, you don't nothing like that. They said that she mentioned and I just said this lady, she calls. Me she all the time. This other person in the church, all of them are in church. Yeah, yeah. These are my friends. They come, they come, he said. That's across the road here, so of course you come over. Let's relate. No, no, no. It's like. Oh yeah. Oh, hello. Then. Like leopards go backwards. You know, I was surprised when she said that, my own mother when she said that. But I said wow, because I see you keep hearing from different. Did the same thing. That's how we are. Oh yeah, that's it. That's the end. The rest is it's like sex. We all. I mean no, we all, we, we have affairs and one of mine is hidden. But we are equally bad. And we do it in a way, and Nigeria, I think they are more open so they get to the job. We're doing it. But you see it stands. Depth of relationship. I see. Are you? Surprised at what I'm saying. How many are surprised at what I'm saying? And I've heard this from more than one person, Elijah. So I'm I'm talking about walking in the light. And engaging to a certain level, yeah. Is is shallow. Oh, hello, Bishop. We've come. Oh, God bless you. Hello. How are you finished? That's not relation, that's protocol. We have protocol, but we don't have relationships. And depth of relationship is pastoral work anyway. But you see, it's not only the members in your church, you are supposed to relate with them. When you are sent and you are a pastor of a church, you have two lines of relationship down and up. I mean to to whom you've been sent and then to whom sent you like this. What do you call it? Said from Kede. What's his name? Edward. Edward, he said yesterday, the. People who are coming to. Roof, the church call him that. They are coming today. But he said this one supersedes that one because I have also a relationship with up as well as with down. You have to either wait or whatever or come go and do it yourself or you don't understand what I'm saying. Yeah. So I think it's something worth discussing because I feel that there is a depth you understand, and that's what I was trying to explain to you. There's that depth of relationship, that is. Needed. You know, one of the things that people don't know is that I. Have a deep. Relationship with a lot of people, deep with a lot of people actually. That's what holds us together. Yeah. And so all. Several of us here. I would need just you and I for some time, you know, to even refresh their relationships. Or you don't understand what I'm saying. Yeah. What do you think? Any comment or idea? Some part, yes, Nigerian. So when he knew when that was a missionary and I was a pastor, I mean the ease with which he opened up and told me about very personal things in his life. I mean, I have a few Guyanese, but nobody has ever done that before. And I was just saying outside that, you know, I, I trust this guy so much that I'll actually give me a key to my apartment that keep this key as a spare key for me so that in case I lose my keys, I'll come for it. Meanwhile, they saying, I guess I could, but I trust him because I, I feel that the Ghanaians, and it's a few that I've met, they are not the kind of, I mean, they speak very badly about them honestly. I mean, if you say you're a Nigerianist as if you've said something, I mean, yeah, yeah. We are not talking about trustworthiness. We are talking about depth of relationships, please. And I feel that. Yeah. OK, your point has been made. Your point has been made, OK, your point has been made that naturally you are getting deeper quite easily with a Nigerian brother, but you are not getting deeper with the Ghanaian. You understand that's that's all. And that's, that's what I'm talking about. That's it's something that doesn't mean that it's every all the time and everywhere, but I'm just saying that it's something that people have noted and I think that it's something that we should look into. Yeah, it's not. It's not about trust, worthiness or being whatever. That's a different subject. Some people are advising that you take your key. T he had anything to say. I think this is an important officer. Richard, you have something to say. Speak. I need speakers. I think one of the things that this brings up is our understanding of even relationships, you know, because it's like like which has been given an example of people who assume that they are close to him. You know, it's like I'm close to you, but meanwhile you just. Do they say what it is? Have a relationship. Have a relation, Bishop dad, that's one of my best, best friends in Ghana, you know, but you know, and if you know it, you know that what the person is calling a relationship, it's actually protocol. I mean, it's like, hi, man of God, you know, this kind of man of God. I mean, you're anointed, you're great, some type of, you know, respect and honour that is given, you know, here and there. But I think that it's it's reflects, you understand, like then last time they were talking and then we're choosing the what do you call mission Superintendent. Then, as I said, I was saying that he was going to choose me as a missionary. And immediately, I mean, it came out that, you know, the understanding of what we are talking of relationship is not, of course, when I meet this person, you know, you talk to this person who say hello, but that thing, that thing of depth and openness and frankness and a certain level of interaction doesn't exist or it's not there yet. As at now, you can't, you know, just pick on such a person and say that this person, such a thing exists. I think what we have, what is coming up here is bringing up and helping us to understand and for us to have real, real, real, real relationships. And I mean something that actually exists and something that is real and true people that you can count on, lean on and build a real strong church when we have the depth of relationship. I was saying I has a lot of deep relationship with different people. I think that's one of the things that probably has helped even the church that he relates with different people. It, it, it adds to the loyalty and the friendship and the love that exists in the church is from the death of the relationship and not just, you know, writing notes, knowing points, knowing loyalty. Yeah, about loyalty. But it's the depth of the relationships that exist. Amen. Quick, Cool. You have something to say. Who is that? Yeah, yeah. Just speak. You see, when he started working on my mind, I realized that as I kept it to myself, the thing was growing within me. So one day I told Reverend I and when I told Reverend, I realized that look, now I'm free because he, he advised me. He said, look, brother, do this, do this. And I said, OK, now I'm free. So I was in the car with Reverend and Bishop and I told them and Bishop told me that these things, he, he shouldn't even I come around somebody like you, he advised me. And I realized that from then I was free. I, I could, I could think in a certain way. Even when I meet the lady again, it wasn't like, you know, I could, I could do something of that sort. And all that I took out of that thing was look, there's, there are challenges and along the way there are things that you can hide. But if you'll be open and bare in relationships, concerning money, concerning our marriages, there are little, little things that you can hide. But if you can come out and then be open, then it builds real and true relationship. And then the fellowship grows, because then the blood. Crisis us and grow, yeah. Concerning relationships, I realise that I realized that I tried to flow with some friends, but, and usually when I want to make friends, I want to make it very deep, but I open my life and then they cover this, you know, For instance, I realized that in marriage from from reading and loose, I realized that every problem you have is what all of us have. So when you make it like when you pretend like you don't have a problem, I share mine and you, you are very quiet. You never talk about your wife, you never talk about what is going on next time I become cool. So some some pastor friends who came to me and then I said, oh, we are friends. So I took the person to like my bedroom. I've taken two friends, you know, because I wanted to be very close, you know, and we just relate because I believe that I believe that we can have a very deep relationship and it will bless the two of us. But. I realized that they never spoke about their marriage. And it also affects the person's preaching because when you go and preach and you even say what is going on in your church, you'll be surprised that it's a it's an loss of what is going on in that particular church. So they would think that maybe it's someone revelation that you've had. So I realized that with relationships, when you open up, it makes you bless and then it even affects your message. It affects your message because somebody can preach without a window. And I, I watch quietly because I don't get much from it. I realized that you are just sharing something by you yourself. You. Yeah. When, when I was in Madagascar, one of the things that I was praying for was I was praying for pillars. By God's way, God gave us some pillars. Then I noticed that there was something wrong, even though I was, even though I was teaching them. I mean, God has called you, you can do the work. I noticed that there was something wrong with yeah, the way they receive what I told them. And on Fridays, the pastors and the shepherds, we every Friday, pastors and shepherds, we have an all night. So one time we're praying. And then I just heard God telling me, I've called you, not them. So I said, I just closed the prayer meeting. And then I said, look, we have closed all night. Everybody go and sleep. So I I stayed and I was praying and I was listening to a message. And then Bishop gave an example and he said that revenking, Slee said. He said that somebody is not engaging the lives of the people. So I thought about it, how can you engage that? He went on to say you must get involved deeper into the lives of the people. So the following Sunday when I went to church, I called them one by when I said you are you in a relationship? What, what are you thinking about? What do you want to do after school? And one of them told me, oh, he had a lady that he wanted to marry, but the lady has gone to Egypt and you like to marry an Egyptian because the lady is a nice Egyptian. So I began to tell him that you want to marry a Malagasy. Can you eat Egyptian food? And since then I noticed that the church has changed the things that I don't even tell them to do, they do. They call me. I have come here. They meanwhile, they are students, They'll take money, call me every day. All my shepherds are calling me. And I notice that yeah, from Madagascar City Echo was coming and I just got it. And I noticed that, you know, they never formally, they never said, oh, pastor, thank you for coming to Madagascar. But now they'll just Pastor, thank you for coming to Madagascar. If it had not been you, oh, by now I'm sure I would have impregnated a girl. Thank you for coming to Madagascar. And I noticed that even it, it has affected the church so much that it has affected the church. It affected the church. When people come to the church, they think that we knew, like some of we knew each other before I came to Madagascar. They asked, oh, did you know them before you came to Madagascar? I said, oh, no, I met them in Madagascar. I noticed. I know something has changed. At that, that, that, that phrase, that point, engaging the lives of the people or engaging the people you see, that is something that brings about church growth. It's a human being with problems, difficulties, shame, fears, struggles, desire for prosperity, desire to live, to die, to live long, fear of dying just like you. There's nobody to talk about with all these things till you came along. And when you came along, you are ready to talk about everything that others never talk about. Only you talk about it. You understand That is a pasta. And that is what we mean by engaging the lives or engaging the people. You go into them and engage, you understand? Yeah. And then you are involved in their lives. And when there's a crisis, there's a problem, there's a situation, usually the engagement gets deeper because crisis draw us together even more. Are you with me? So that is important, you know, for us as we move along now, one of the important things also about walking in the light is that you are going to have real wild challenges. Now, one of the difficult things when you are, when a war is being fought against you and you are not allowed to say anything about it, that is when there's a great power fighting you. Do you understand now that is what Satan loves to do to fight pastors in a way they can't talk about if your underparts. Are hurting you or itching you. You can't stand and say oh. My this thing is itching. You can't say it, but if your elbow, so my elbow is really hurting. Me today, have you ever heard somebody say, Oh, my elbow is feeling, oh, my head is aching, Oh my head, why don't they say those places? Do you think that those other places never have any? They even sometimes have more problems than other places, but they don't say because you have been. Attacked at a place that you can't say. Are you getting something there? When we walk in the light and we come out, that thing which they thought was a secret attack which you could never discuss, talk about or fight it comes to a place where you can now talk about it. And then you'll be surprised that the solution is a very simple key. I mean there may be some small cream that if you told me about that. Thing. I would have. Given you the name of you that just got to get it now by tomorrow morning, maybe some of you are suffering from such, but. You can't easily say it. Now when my son was sent to secondary school he was really bullied out of hate and I told you when you go they'll hate you because you are 1/2 caste and they hated him and because he's a pastor son also. Now, but one of the big problems was that they couldn't. Say. What? They were suffering. Yeah, they couldn't. And it's like when you say you, your life will get. Worse. The guys will take you all in a very well. You'll be very, it'll get worse. So you see, that's what the devil loves to do. It's like, let's take you on in a way you can talk about and most of our lives, let's say our marriages, our personal lives, our personal problems, do you understand difficulties and so on. It takes us all in a way that we don't see. And then the next thing here is an explosion. Look at what has happened, a business camp. Many persons have problems with pornography. Yes, yes. Pornography, masturbation, homosexuality, alcohol, homosexuality, marital, wild, strange, marital beasts, impotence. You get it by the way it is. You can say, but if you walk in the light, when the problem comes, you see that you're already in the light. You save problem. You know that a lot of people who find us in Lighthouse very strange when we talk about sex and those things because we brought it into the lights. They are so shocking because what do you say? Hey, it is so unusual because in many other places that thing is totally. Behind the curtains, Totally. And yet very active. And yet a problem, you know? Yeah, they have not seen a book like the model Marriage. Yeah, they are amazed. And when I was when I was drawing the pictures and I was getting those pictures and so a lot of people were opposing me from putting those pictures. I had even more that I have I didn't put in there. I almost almost those pictures were out. Of the book. You know, almost the ones that were in and were almost out. What what you have there is the is the subset I employed an artist to to to to draw these things. Yeah, with, with, with, with. I mean, I, I, I'm proud I'm not going to the teachers. Hello. You don't have any idea. And this is what people don't want us to bring outside. And then it's always Meanwhile your husband wants to have sex with your anus everyday. You don't walk in the light so you can't say it. You can you not say it. I know a Christian couple that divorced based on this the lady said look Ignus not not vagina is not used again. It was only and she she agreed for the dinner. No, I cannot do it again. It's fantastical. I cannot say it. You cannot say that because you have been attacked at the. Panic place. It's like saying it's like, how will it be understood? All I have to do to say is it. Right. Is it good before you realize you are wearing? Father, thank you for your blessing in Jesus name, Amen.